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Fired or made redundant?
Told me that they will give me my notice.

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How long have you been in Switzerland?

Unemployment benefit (RAV) will pay up to 80% of your previous salary, maxing out at around SFr.110,000. Surely after 12 years you have some savings? No need to panic and leave immediately. Relax, take your time, and move when you're ready.

Been in CH 12 years

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Been in CH 12 years
And how old are your kids? You are not exactly providing much information for people to help you with.
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Re: Leaving Switzerland, advice needed, please!

Depending on who you worked for, in what position and whether you are parting amicably, I'd expect that after 12 years you are looking at a hefty redundancy package. The package alone, along with the gardening leave, should cover you for 1-2 years at a minimum before you even need to think about the RAV.

As others have mentioned, I'd look into the option of staying here and leaving the kids in the school they are used to go to.
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Depending on who you worked for, in what position and whether you are parting amicably, I'd expect that after 12 years you are looking at a hefty redundancy package. The package alone, along with the gardening leave, should cover you for 1-2 years at a minimum before you even need to think about the RAV.

As others have mentioned, I'd look into the option of staying here and leaving the kids in the school they are used to go to.
The RAV process should be started and relied upon asap rather than using any precious redundancy money.
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Old 07.11.2016, 12:43
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Depending on who you worked for, in what position and whether you are parting amicably, I'd expect that after 12 years you are looking at a hefty redundancy package. The package alone, along with the gardening leave, should cover you for 1-2 years at a minimum before you even need to think about the RAV.

As others have mentioned, I'd look into the option of staying here and leaving the kids in the school they are used to go to.
I wouldn't be relying on a hefty redundancy package if I were the OP. They're not very common in Switzerland.

He should be contacting the RAV and making sure he's fulfilling all the requirements there. If he does go back to the UK immediately he can export his Swiss RAV benefits there for a maximum if three months but he has to carry on his job search and register with the job centre in the U.K.
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And how old are your kids? You are not exactly providing much information for people to help you with.
My kids are 14(twins) and 16.

Briefly, I had been on sick leave for 8 months. On my return at 50%, they told me I was not integrating as they expected and will therefore hand me notice with 6 months notice period. I am currently off work 100% on sick leave and frankly can't see any light at the end of the tunnel.

My concern is getting my kids settled into a school asap. Naturally nobody wants to move away from CH.
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My kids are 14(twins) and 16.

Briefly, I had been on sick leave for 8 months. On my return at 50%, they told me I was not integrating as they expected and will therefore hand me notice with 6 months notice period. I am currently off work 100% on sick leave and frankly can't see any light at the end of the tunnel.

My concern is getting my kids settled into a school asap. Naturally nobody wants to move away from CH.
I would try to negotiate with them to pay the school fees until the endof the school year at least.
It will be much easier for them to move schools during the summer holidays rather than mid year in my opinion.
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Old 07.11.2016, 15:11
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Depending on who you worked for, in what position and whether you are parting amicably, I'd expect that after 12 years you are looking at a hefty redundancy package. The package alone, along with the gardening leave, should cover you for 1-2 years at a minimum before you even need to think about the RAV.
Yeah no. That is not common here at all and as has been written a million times in this forum, anyone can be let go any time with no reason given and there's zero obligation for any type of severance or financial compensation unless it's a mass redundancy. Which clearly is not the case here.

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Briefly, I had been on sick leave for 8 months. On my return at 50%, they told me I was not integrating as they expected and will therefore hand me notice with 6 months notice period. I am currently off work 100% on sick leave and frankly can't see any light at the end of the tunnel.
I can understand the situation, but they apparently did what they could do and/or were obliged to do and it's not working out. 8 months was already quite "generous" as the protection period usually/by law runs out after 6 (in your case as you've been employed 6+ years). See above, they can let you go and they are doing absolutely nothing illegal.

Of course you can try to negotiate on some financial aspects, though I wouldn't hope for too much...
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My kids are 14(twins) and 16.

Briefly, I had been on sick leave for 8 months. On my return at 50%, they told me I was not integrating as they expected and will therefore hand me notice with 6 months notice period. I am currently off work 100% on sick leave and frankly can't see any light at the end of the tunnel.

My concern is getting my kids settled into a school asap. Naturally nobody wants to move away from CH.
Are you going to leave your unemployment benefit (RAV) behind? It's 80% of the salary, limited to 148k CHF, if I'm not mistaken. It's a good sum to live comfortably for a year.
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Old 07.11.2016, 16:07
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Are you going to leave your unemployment benefit (RAV) behind? It's 80% of the salary, limited to 148k CHF, if I'm not mistaken. It's a good sum to live comfortably for a year.
To clear up the ambiguity in your post, the maximum salary insured is 148,200 CHF and hence the maximum RAV payment for those with children is approx. 118,500 CHF. It is indeed a good amount to live on.
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To clear up the ambiguity in your post, the maximum salary insured is 148,200 CHF and hence the maximum RAV payment for those with children is approx. 118,500 CHF. It is indeed a good amount to live on.
Plus child allowance.

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Plus child allowance.
Who pays that and how much is it? Just curious!
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Old 07.11.2016, 16:22
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Who pays that and how much is it? Just curious!
The canton, as always.

Usually, 200/kid/month, but depends on the canton.

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Who pays that and how much is it? Just curious!
Depends on the canton. Basel is e.g. 200/month. Afaik, during unemployment, the money is pro-rated according to the "working days" of any given month (similar to the Taggeld-approach, i.e. different salary every month).

However, if the husband works (if there is one), he can claim the child allowance via his employer and in that case, OP is not eligible anymore. The allowance is only paid out once per kid, and not several times or per parent.
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Depending on who you worked for, in what position and whether you are parting amicably, I'd expect that after 12 years you are looking at a hefty redundancy package. The package alone, along with the gardening leave, should cover you for 1-2 years at a minimum before you even need to think about the RAV.
More likely 6 to 12 months including gardening leave here. As the OP describes it I wouldn't be surprised at contract notice period only.

The 100% sick leave however probably protects a bit at the moment.
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The 100% sick leave however probably protects a bit at the moment.
She's been off sick full-time for 8 months, then at 50%, now during notice period again at 100%. As outlined above, the protection period - the legal one that is - has expired looooong ago. She is not protected against anything (of course unless her contract stipulates otherwise, which I doubt).


However, another aspect to consider is continuation of payment of the salary through insurance, which can be as long as 2 years. Even if one's contract is being terminated in between. That's two things people often mix up.
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She's been off sick full-time for 8 months, then at 50%, now during notice period again at 100%. As outlined above, the protection period - the legal one that is - has expired looooong ago. She is not protected against anything (of course unless her contract stipulates otherwise, which I doubt).


However, another aspect to consider is continuation of payment of the salary through insurance, which can be as long as 2 years. Even if one's contract is being terminated in between. That's two things people often mix up.
Who said anything about the OP being a she?
I assumed it was a man and having just checked the profile that would appear to be the case.
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Who said anything about the OP being a she?
I assumed it was a man and having just checked the profile that would appear to be the case.
Like you I just assumed As do most here. I can't be bothered to check everyone's profile before responding (unless they ask really really stupid stuff).

Seems to be a man though. So remove all s in front of every he I wrote and replace every her with him Other than that - nothing changes, the situation is the same.
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Like you I just assumed As do most here. I can't be bothered to check everyone's profile before responding (unless they ask really really stupid stuff).

Seems to be a man though. So remove all s in front of every he I wrote and replace every her with him Other than that - nothing changes, the situation is the same.
I don't check profiles at all normally but in this case I was curious as your assumption was completely at odds with mine.
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Unless the company can prove the reason for being fired is serious, previous written warnings must have been given (e.g. for turning up late).
I have been fired without having been giving any previous warning. The reason? My boss found a yonger and cheaper replacement.
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