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ohh i forgot to post this... this is even worse...
-- Do EU consumer rights apply in Switzerland? No. Switzerland is not part of the EU and has its own national legislation. -- meaning to say 14 days return policy does not apply to all consumers and a company can alter this using their AGB... not good buyer protection law... can't find something about direct purchase... but this site explains it more or less
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...ce=MEMO/08/305
You can always return back to where you came from if you're not happy.

Don't forget we can deduct some of the exhorbitent VAT charged by European countries such as France at 19.6%, UK at 17.5%.
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IT is true that Switzerland does not have a general returns right and having owned a retail establishment I can say, that is not per se a bad thing.

Why should a business take back an item that has been bought and return the cash, sometimes if not always losing money on the transaction? If the customer is prepared to take a credit note or exchange then fine but a complete annulling of the transaction should generally not be allowed.

Of course if the item is faulty, then the customer, be it private person or business, has the right to return the item for replacement or repair or indeed to step out of the contract all together.

If the company is refusing to replace or accept a return of defective items you can point to the relevant legal text which probably starts with articles 197 to 210 OR and no AGB can annul these:-)


Dear Richard

Maybe you can help me. I bought a laptop and the touchpad doesn't work properly. The purchase was in January and it is defective since then, but only last week I claimed the garantee. I brought back to the store and they sent me a letter last week, saying that there is a software problem and it is not cover in the garantee, so I now would have to pay (212 francs for the repair, 80 to get the computer back without repairing, the computer will be entsorgt otherwise). I didn't bring the computer back because I needed it, I was using it to write my master thesis and I couldn't afford to be without a computer for some weeks then. Besides, the touchpad would partially work, so I could still use the computer for my purposes during this time. Only now it was possible for me to claim the garantee.
The store is trying to blame it on me that "i might have deleted something" and therefore the computer is not working. I already called their service center and wrote them, per email, that there must have been a mistake in their analysis, since the computer has not been working properly since the first day I used it and therefore, if there is a "software problem, it was when they installed the operational system. Therefore not my responsability and not excluded from the garantee.
I am waiting for their response, but meanwhile I also wrote HP (the manufacturer) and reported the situation. I contacted HP to have orientation about the issue few months ago, but the call broke and I found it would be easier to bring it back to them, since it was in the garantee period, the call was paid and I had the right to have it working properly without additional expenses.

I am trying to gather more information on this matters.

Is the garantie cancellable because I didn't report the problem earlier?
When I tell that there has been a problem since the purchase and they accuse me that "i might have deleted something", who has the responsability to proof that? I imagine that there might be registries in the computer about alterations in softwares (it keeps track of all the updates we do!!). Would it be, in legal terms, my responsability to proof that i never changed anything or do they need to proof that it was my fault?

I wrote them explaining the reasons why it must be covered under the garantee, and I am hoping that they will solve it. I also trust HP and believe they care for the costumers.
But I want to inform myself, just in case.

Did I understand right (from the thread above about swiss laws): the buyer has a right to choose between replacement, refund or repair when an item is defective?

Thanks for your help and advice. I don't find the services in Switzerland of bad quality, nor the laws. I just find it hard sometimes, being a foreigner with little experience here and poor german skills, to find information.
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Re: Consumer rights in Switzerland

Hoping someone can help me out a bit - be gentle oh forum behemoths

I bought an HP netbook five days ago from InterDiscount. Got it home, and in a nutshell I hate it. The two main bugbears I have with it are firstly that the touchpad is rubbish and despite all tinkering the cursor jumps around a lot, making any attempt to work quickly really frustrating; and secondly that the computer seems very slow and when trying to run for eg. Skype, was told by a pop-up window that the pc was too slow for it to run properly - even though there were no other programs running.

SO. I would like to take it back. Am I going to be laughed out of the shop? It's not a fault per se, I just don't like the feel of the thing, having used it for a few days. I recently took an iPad back to the Apple store for a refund within the 14 days because "I didn't like it" - a return policy Apple were proud to tell me about and honour. I wonder whether this is because it is an unusually lenient policy to hold in the first place...

Now I sound like a crazy 'take things back' person, which I'm not, honest!
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I think you know the answer, you are not entitled to any favours as it does work.

You might have to try and sell it on Ricardo.
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Hoping someone can help me out a bit - be gentle oh forum behemoths

I bought an HP netbook five days ago from InterDiscount. Got it home, and in a nutshell I hate it. The two main bugbears I have with it are firstly that the touchpad is rubbish and despite all tinkering the cursor jumps around a lot, making any attempt to work quickly really frustrating; and secondly that the computer seems very slow and when trying to run for eg. Skype, was told by a pop-up window that the pc was too slow for it to run properly - even though there were no other programs running.

SO. I would like to take it back. Am I going to be laughed out of the shop? It's not a fault per se, I just don't like the feel of the thing, having used it for a few days. I recently took an iPad back to the Apple store for a refund within the 14 days because "I didn't like it" - a return policy Apple were proud to tell me about and honour. I wonder whether this is because it is an unusually lenient policy to hold in the first place...

Now I sound like a crazy 'take things back' person, which I'm not, honest!
Take it back, say it keeps crashing, and ask for a credit note.
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Take it back, say it keeps crashing, and ask for a credit note.
Tell them the touchpad doesn't work too.
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Re: Consumer rights in Switzerland

I would just like to add my experience with returning items in Switzerland. I have found, that by staying calm and sticking to my original request of a full refund, sales people eventually relent and give me my money back. The key is to always stay polite (and know your rights!).
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I would just like to add my experience with returning items in Switzerland. I have found, that by staying calm and sticking to my original request of a full refund, sales people eventually relent and give me my money back. The key is to always stay polite (and know your rights!).
You do NOT have rights to any money refund.

Within 6 months you have the right to a free of charge repair, but transport costs are not refundable.
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