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Re: Buying Swiss made watch from Switzerland

Rolex do sell quartz watches, some of there cheaper smaller watches where quartz small womens watches iirc (last time I looked was many years ago though)
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Re: Buying Swiss made watch from Switzerland

Not sure quite how hard you looked on the Internet for Richelieu- there is plenty of info there. It is a watch firm in the Jura, here are the detail:

Grand-Rue 36
2732 Reconvilier
Téléphone: 032 482 67 60 Fax: 032 482 67 65 info@richelieu-swiss.ch


So yes, very Swiss, at the lower end of the scale but perfectly genuine.
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Rolex do sell quartz watches, some of there cheaper smaller watches where quartz small womens watches iirc (last time I looked was many years ago though)
OK, I managed to find ONE on their website.. By the look of it though and considering its white gold and diamond encrusted, it wouldn't be cheap.

http://www.rolex.com/watches/cellini.html

The rest are all hand wound or automatic.
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I would call Rolex, Cartier, Piaget, Baume et Mercier et al high-end watches. Most of these, apart from the automatics, have quartz movements. My Baume and Mercier cost 10,000 CHF, and it has quartz movement. The Rolex OysterQuartz gives a little idea. When you get watches above 50,000 CHF, they are usually (though not always) pieces of jewellery encrusted with precious stones. You are paying more for the jewellery than the watch at this point.

A simple google search will confirm the above.
Not really- you are paying for individual pieces and parts to be made by hand for many of the very top end watches- like Parmigiani, Greubel-Forsey, Voutilainen, and more. Lots of new branded bling-bling watches are made with jewels, etc- but no watch making craftsmanship. You really need advice from experts these days when buying a watch, if you truly want the genuine article.

Baume and Mercier btw is part of Piaget- one of our long established local firms here in Watch Valley.

Rolex these days are made in vast numbers- and top watch experts are less than complimentary of late.
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Rolex do sell quartz watches, some of there cheaper smaller watches where quartz small womens watches iirc (last time I looked was many years ago though)

I don't see any on their website, I think you may be mistaken.
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Old 16.07.2014, 10:49
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Not really- you are paying for individual pieces and parts to be made by hand for many of the very top end watches- like Parmigiani, Greubel-Forsey, Voutilainen, and more. Lots of new branded bling-bling watches are made with jewels, etc- but no watch making craftsmanship. You really need advice from experts these days when buying a watch, if you truly want the genuine article.

Baume and Mercier btw is part of Piaget- one of our long established local firms here in Watch Valley.

Rolex these days are made in vast numbers- and top watch experts are less than complimentary of late.


BAUME & MERCIER is owned by Richmond group along with Cartier. I don't think B&m even make movements unlike IWC part of the same group. I did not realise Piaget was part of the group.
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It is a fake. A fake is something that purports to be what it is not. What it isn't is a forgery.

Nobody believes that Steinhart threw a load watch parts up in the air and this is how they landed. They set out to make a watch as close as possible to a Rolex which is designed to fool a casual observer (i.e. they're copying a Veblen good without the price to match).

This watch almost certainly had legal input into its design. Now, while lawyers have many qualities and uses in society (make hay while the sun shines, though - that profession is ripe for automation), they shouldn't be involved in designing watches.
No you are wrong, it is not a "fake", because it does not claim to be a Rolex, nor does it have the Rolex logo stamped onto it. It is perfectly legal, usually high quality materials and constructions, and the reasons for why they exist are obvious... http://gearpatrol.com/2013/08/13/opi...omage-watches/

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I would call Rolex, Cartier, Piaget, Baume et Mercier et al high-end watches. Most of these, apart from the automatics, have quartz movements. My Baume and Mercier cost 10,000 CHF, and it has quartz movement. The Rolex OysterQuartz gives a little idea. When you get watches above 50,000 CHF, they are usually (though not always) pieces of jewellery encrusted with precious stones. You are paying more for the jewellery than the watch at this point.

A simple google search will confirm the above.
You paid 10k for a quartz watch?

And I don't think its fair to say most are quartz... I would say the majority I have seen in that price range are automatic.

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"Most" is a bit of an exaggeration, it would be more fair to say that most high end swiss manufacturers also produce quartz watches.
Agreed.
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I don't see any on their website, I think you may be mistaken.

I did say it was some time ago I last looked, they did a whole range of very small womens watches that where all quartz
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BAUME & MERCIER is owned by Richmond group along with Cartier. I don't think B&m even make movements unlike IWC part of the same group. I did not realise Piaget was part of the group.
Will have to check what the situation is now- my info might be dated, sorry. Baume & Mercier and Piaget were definitely two sister companies some years back- perhaps no longer.

Edit - ooops - yes, Piaget bought Baume & Mercier in 1958- and owned the brand for 25 years...! I knew very many people linked with both brands- which were made here locally- but then I lived just a tad too long in the UK to be 'au fait' with the acquisition by Richmond Group.
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Re: Buying Swiss made watch from Switzerland

Hi, i have my Richelieu P-7421-GG4 for more than 10 years now. The battery has been replaced once during this time, the quality is more than perfect. I was given this as a gift from my misses when she was in Switzerland.
So dont worry about that if you cant find it on any well known webpages because the watch itself is really good.
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I don't think any high end 'manufactures' sell quartz watches. The definition of a 'manufacture' is a watch company that builds their own movements. The largest manufacture being Rolex. The daughter brand Tudor uses a bought in ETA movement, not a quartz.

The most movements are made by ETA, however they don't sell finished watches.
Ah Fatmans, how wrong can you be ???? Patek Philippe, which are regarded by all as the top of the top end watched designed and developed quartz watches and still sell them in the lower end of their range !

Rolex have never sold quartz watches
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Re: Buying Swiss made watch from Switzerland

Rolex have made quartz watches
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolex_Oysterquartz
And still do
http://www.swissluxury.com/rolex-wat...rtz-ladies.htm
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Re: Buying Swiss made watch from Switzerland

Hmmpf! I can pick up a genuine Hublot up a genuine Rolex with papers for as little as 400 Euros on Ebay.
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Re: Buying Swiss made watch from Switzerland

Anyone who buy a quartz for anywhere near that kind of money is truly nuts.
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Re: Buying Swiss made watch from Switzerland

Agreed, but they must do
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My appologies, i was equally as wrong as Fatmans then !!
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Re: Buying Swiss made watch from Switzerland

I had read that Rolex's patent's are running out (or have?). That is why there are so many look alikes, which are alot cheaper.
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I had read that Rolex's patent's are running out (or have?). That is why there are so many look alikes, which are alot cheaper.

Not sure what patents your talking about, however mechanical movements cost money to make.
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Anyone who buy a quartz for anywhere near that kind of money is truly nuts.
Ah but that shows a lack of understanding of the watch industry as the quartz revolution beckoned. The Swiss watch industry has always considered itself cutting edge, and what was more cutting edge at the time? In fact, the Swiss premium brands faced off to Seiko to be the first to develop quartz timepieces. An analogy would have been the first people to get iphones. Or DVD players. Or cassette players...the wheel...flint tools. Etc...
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Re: Buying Swiss made watch from Switzerland

If you are going to buy a watch over 1000CHF, normally, you can bid the price of 10% off in the store.
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