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I think well maintained dreds would be great in a kitchen as you would be less likely to get stray hairs in the soup. Your hair would be its own hairnet. For appearance, I would say it depends on the business style and clientel. Eco-veggie-creative-alternative? Go for it. Not any of those things? Looking to do bank or investment company parties? Definitely not.
I have a lot of interest in doing more corporate/"high end" family events. I have en excellent reputation for both creativity and consistency. But I am so bored with, as my kids say, looking like Thor. I want to do something really different.
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I think Switzerland is quite conservative, and I personally believe that you are judged based on your appearance here more than other countries. You have to remember that first impressions count for a lot. It's just my personal opinion, and what came to mind.
But you see- I really have not experienced this. In the UK I found that to be considered a good professional, you have to wear a suit and tie. Teachers here wear jeans and t-shirts or sweatshirts- in a way that would never be allowed in the UK- and many others too, including doctors, dentists, and business people. I am always amazed how informally people dress for funerals and weddings here, compared to the uk too.
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But you see- I really have not experienced this. In the UK I found that to be considered a good professional, you have to wear a suit and tie. Teachers here wear jeans and t-shirts or sweatshirts- in a way that would never be allowed in the UK- and many others too, including doctors, dentists, and business people. I am always amazed how informally people dress for funerals and weddings here, compared to the uk too.
Definitely! I don't think the Swiss are as formal as us Brits when it comes to clothes!
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I just remembered, my daughter´s piano teacher here at the local School has dreadlocks. Sometimes she wears tutus and looks like a fairy
but she is very strict!
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Definitely! I don't think the Swiss are as formal as us Brits when it comes to clothes!
This conversation keeps coming back to Swiss interpretation. But, I would prefer Swiss people to answer this from their own perspective. I get most of my business, un intentionally from foreign people. So, it is more what I am interested as an answer.
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Yes. i wouldn't expect a removal person to be smart. I was more thinking of the gastronomy side of things… not sure what you do, but organising or working in catering especially high end, I'd expect people doing that for me to be super smart and tidy! Just my opinion
I am a Chef. I have been doing movings as a side thing. Which is getting better. As a chef long hair or not, it should never be in the food. So I wear a toque. As do most Chefs. But for moving people, I have to meet them. So far everything has worked out, but if I get dreds will it be even less? I am not a "clean cut" looking individual. I mean, when I go out, it all looks very clean, but, in general James Hetfield normally comes to mind as the way I look.
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Re: Dreadlocks and Professionalism

I just read that you can actually, with a lot of work, comb them out if you no longer want them, is this true?
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Re: Dreadlocks and Professionalism

I say if you want them - go for them. I thought about changing my last name to my husband's to sound "less foreign" or putting a picture on my CV that actually makes me look white and then I slapped myself.

I love dreads! And I think they're totally normal. Probably cause the last two places I lived were beach towns, but I think dreads can look very clean and neat. I think you'll find a niche of clientele that just won't care.
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Old 15.11.2014, 00:43
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I think Switzerland is quite conservative, and I personally believe that you are judged based on your appearance here more than other countries.
Rubbish.

I always wore suits, or at least ties in the US, simply not done here.

I even used to try to encourage my colleagues to dress up on Thursdays, to no avail (back in the US, we used to go to the local biker bar on Thursdays in three piece suits, me, my boss, and the VP engineering, and play pool with the local riff-raff )

People don't give a crap about your appearance here.

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Rubbish.

I always wore suits, or at least ties in the US, simply not done here.

I even used to try to encourage my colleagues to dress up on Thursdays, to no avail (back in the US, we used to go to the local biker bar on Thursdays in three piece suits, me, my boss, and the VP engineering, and play pool with the local riff-raff )

People don't give a crap about your appearance here.

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Some do, some don't.

Can you use one of those "make-over" iPad apps to get an idea how it looks like?
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For you and for us ;-)


Personally, I wear it very short, because it would be just too much hassle to maintain.
When it's short, I can wash it with water only most days of the week, without me looking like a dog that came into a rain-shower ;-)
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I have a lot of interest in doing more corporate/"high end" family events. I have en excellent reputation for both creativity and consistency. But I am so bored with, as my kids say, looking like Thor. I want to do something really different.
Cut them short?

I would love to see a picture of you, maybe in pm? Wink wink...
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But I am so bored with, as my kids say, looking like Thor.
I think Thor looks fine but dreads are always a better option in my opinion.

I really think you should do it if it's really what you want. Life is too short, if it was given to you, just do whatever you want with it

It's not easy to give an opinion when I don't know you at all, because let's say for instance that your boss don't want you to have dreads... I don't know about your life to know if you'd be able to look for another job. You see, I didn't do dreads before I came to Switzerland because I was in a desperate situation and I desperately needed to work, so it was not a question of what I wanted but what I needed.
Now that I can finally breath, I can do whatever I want and I have enough freedom to change my job or move or so x)
as I don't know if that's your case I can't say much, but be assured that as a client, I'd require to be attended by you if you had dreads whatsoever
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I think Thor looks fine but dreads are always a better option in my opinion.

I really think you should do it if it's really what you want. Life is too short, if it was given to you, just do whatever you want with it

It's not easy to give an opinion when I don't know you at all, because let's say for instance that your boss don't want you to have dreads... I don't know about your life to know if you'd be able to look for another job. You see, I didn't do dreads before I came to Switzerland because I was in a desperate situation and I desperately needed to work, so it was not a question of what I wanted but what I needed.
Now that I can finally breath, I can do whatever I want and I have enough freedom to change my job or move or so x)
as I don't know if that's your case I can't say much, but be assured that as a client, I'd require to be attended by you if you had dreads whatsoever
I am in effect my own boss these days. But I rely on new work all the time. Therefore, my "boss" is people I have not yet met. And most of them end up being foreigners.
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I am in effect my own boss these days. But I rely on new work all the time. Therefore, my "boss" is people I have not yet met. And most of them end up being foreigners.
Good! I think you're just fine doing it really
Of course there are all kinds of people and clients and so, but still I don't see the problem in having dreads. Besides, I'm led to believe that our society is changing, leaving old prejudices behind, and it's about time
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Re: Dreadlocks and Professionalism

Well in my opinion it does matter.
Same as with tattoos.

Many people do not mind them but you cut of the whole segment of potentials of the people that would mind them. Being your own boss you might not want to do that.

Say you are asked to cook /cater for a different culture/religion/or whatever it might be and it is not "accepted" in said culture you lose that whole segment of potential.
same if you have a super fancy wedding where everyone is dressed really well....I would feel uncomfortable showing up in dreads. Even myself I would not accept a cook with dreads in my kitchen....as the stigma about dreads remains that they are unwashed and filthy.(no matter how clean they are, thats what most people think)

Then again I really dislike dreads so I am a bit shortsighted in my opinion. I feel they are for when you are young and traveling the world and are making the transient statement.... . MAny people have most certainly a different opinion.

Btw here is the new trend in the US :
http://elitedaily.com/women/man-bun-...ing-right-now/
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I have a lot of interest in doing more corporate/"high end" family events. I have en excellent reputation for both creativity and consistency. But I am so bored with, as my kids say, looking like Thor. I want to do something really different.
Ok, here we go: Since I am heading my SMEs employers marketing do I also regularly organize customer event. It does not matter that I would not have any issues with dreads - I am not organizing a dinner for myself... not even for my CEO: I am organizing it on behalf of my CEO for our clients. We want to set the right stage for business talks... and the place I choose and everything there from the food to the people will reflect on our company. I would typically get some guidance on what the top level is looking for, say "classy, intimate place, not too loud, 15 people".
I have been to some high end cocktail bars with customers where it is somehow accepted that a creative barkeeper looks creative. But if you are talking about "default" corporate events: I would not do it.
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Ok, here we go: Since I am heading my SMEs employers marketing do I also regularly organize customer event. It does not matter that I would not have any issues with dreads - I am not organizing a dinner for myself... not even for my CEO: I am organizing it on behalf of my CEO for our clients. We want to set the right stage for business talks... and the place I choose and everything there from the food to the people will reflect on our company. I would typically get some guidance on what the top level is looking for, say "classy, intimate place, not too loud, 15 people".
I have been to some high end cocktail bars with customers where it is somehow accepted that a creative barkeeper looks creative. But if you are talking about "default" corporate events: I would not do it.
I haven't tapped into that yet, but recently was approached by a few people looking for their Christmas catering to be done by myself. I feel like I am suppressing myself at the moment. But is has to be considered, the money aspect.
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same if you have a super fancy wedding where everyone is dressed really well....I would feel uncomfortable showing up in dreads. Even myself I would not accept a cook with dreads in my kitchen....as the stigma about dreads remains that they are unwashed and filthy.(no matter how clean they are, thats what most people think)
I have seen really good looking and charming men with dreads in a suit, and I don't see why on Earth those men wouldn't fit in a "super fancy wedding where everyone is dressed really well". Men with dreads can also dress really well, tie up their dreads and look respectful. It's all about attitude

About cooking with dreads.. I don't know about the rest of the world but I cook with my hands, not with my hair. That stigma only remains if people allow it.
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I have seen really good looking and charming men with dreads in a suit, and I don't see why on Earth those men wouldn't fit in a "super fancy wedding where everyone is dressed really well". Men with dreads can also dress really well, tie up their dreads and look respectful. It's all about attitude

About cooking with dreads.. I don't know about the rest of the world but I cook with my hands, not with my hair. That stigma only remains if people allow it.
That is exactly my point. I am not talking about any intelligence, or dressing smart part , or any of that. It is like Treverus said. It is not your party but the other people and whether you might look like the smartest person in the room if they do not like it they do not like it.

But if you have a wedding and only one of the people involved does not like people with dreads , well there you go you just lost that wedding. whereas if you looked sharp in the traditional/classical way it would not be an issue.

Here is another real live example I witness in my own restaurant. One of my waiters looked very smart with long dress shirt, short hair , and dressed like a waiter should be. One day he walked in and had shaven his head, wore a short sleaved shirt (he spilled on his normal one and didnt bring a back up) so all his tats were visible and was wearing skinny jeans. His Tips went down 40% and one person even asked me why I would hire a Nazi....

Bon, I think I have given my input as per your request, besides that it is your business what you do with your business. People don't like it; tough sh*t, and if they do good for you.
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Providing you accept the consequences, do what you want !
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