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I too am Canadian and agree. We Canadians are very open and love meeting new people. I understand how you are feeling. I moved to CH over 2 years ago and married my wife after dating long distance. I understand how you feel but I am learning that you really need to make an effort here. Try learning German, and try to get out to social events. This forum helps me to learn about these events and also meetup.com. The Swiss are not very outgoing and can be xenophobic and I have learned that you really have to make the effort here. Good luck!

Never been to Canada, my loss. Which land would ever issue this new stamp if not Canada ?

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Never been to Canada, my loss. Which land would ever issue this new stamp if not Canada ?

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Uruguay, India, any other country that decides to print one...

Not sure what your point is with all this.
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Old 21.01.2015, 02:37
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

I say go for it if you're not happy and able to feel settled here. Switzerland is not for everyone that is for sure and its a tough place to settle in expats or not, there's more to it than that. I'm sure you will find your place somewhere.
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

Hey,

I'm a similar age and found it difficult when I first moved to CH. I hadn't lived overseas before and I think I expected to be much easier than it was. Getting a handle on all the 'rules' here consumed so much of my time, especially with only conversational German. But I've been here 18 months now and I've made a lot of good friends. I also love that it's so easy to jump on a train and go somewhere new on weekends (coming from Oz, this novelty hasn't worn off yet!)

Having said that, I have a few friends who have moved to Vancouver and they love the place! I think the outdoor lifestyle would be just as awesome as Zurich except it seems much easier to meet new people!
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

as someone who currently lives in Canada (born Polish, moved there as a kid) but would like to come live/work in Switzerland for a few years I'm in the opposite boat from you. Also not very sociable but can schmooze with the best of them if required to do so.

Few things to consider about Canada
- winter generally equals cold (think -20) in most parts of the country, if you end up in BC you will quickly notice it has more or less the highest cost of living (Toronto is not far behind)
- if you are concerned about not having a common language you will be surprised how many different cultures concentrate around the major metropolitan areas (Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver, Edmonton, Montreal to a much lesser extent) and don't actually bother learning proper English
- further to the point above people in the metropolitan areas are all go go go all the time, money and being able to "show off" things takes precedence over a lot of things as be weary of this (based on my experiences in Toronto)
- learn everything you can about hockey, no matter who the person its generally a pretty good conversation started with anyone who has been in the country more than a few years (think Hockey, Beer, Canoes, Moose and Mounties in that order)

I'm half asleep so that's all I got at the moment. One last thing to keep in mind is experience. If you think Switzerland is difficult to get into and work in wait till you give Canada a go. At the moment they are looking for temp workers (aka cheap/slave labor) or highly specialized folks

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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

I am a lot older than the OP, but moved here on my own and for a long time felt very lonely, even though I'd met a lot of people - no-one seemed to be on my wavelength. But over time I have learnt that this isn't necessarily important. One of the greatest things I have learnt here is to accept and enjoy the differences, which in turn has taught me things about myself. Living abroad is a fantastic learning experience, and I wish I'd had the courage to do it in my 20s. Embrace it! I realised early on, by the way, that it was up to me to get out there and meet people. I found it very hard, as I am not an extrovert and find small talk difficult, but I forced myself on many occasions. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, but every time was worth it. OP, join a MeetUp group (there are many varied ones in Basel), join EF events in Zurich if there aren't any in Basel, start one yourself even! Most importantly, be open to the experience, do things you're not sure you want to as well as those you do, you'd be surprised. And finally, it is completely true that you take your troubles with you. Yes, you might find it better elsewhere, but you have to give it a good try where you are to be sure.

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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

I'm Canadian and have just moved here. Toronto is a big city with lots of job opportunities, but if you are interested in winter sports, you can forget it. Culturally, it has more theatres, museums, carnivals, street parties in summer, etc. Montreal is the most European of all Cdn cities. There are lots of fabulous pubs, festivals, and decent job opportunities. Because of the slump in oil prices, avoid Calgary like a plague. Vancouver, is closest to Switzerland in terms of landscape; lots of mountains, rivers, lakes. It's very cosmopolitan with people from all over the world living there. There are more sushi restaurants than there are Starbucks! And bloody cheap too! The only problem is that it's difficult to find work there, and the atrocious rising cost of living (esp housing costs and grocery prices) is not on par with salary raises. Best to apply for a job from here and have the company pay for your relocation. Check out LinkedIn.com for available jobs. Then go to glassdoor.com and check for salary ranges. Try monster.ca or workopolis.ca too. I've lived in Toronto, and Vancouver. And I was an HR Manager in my previous life. Can offer you more insights. Feel free to contact me for additional info. *smile* Good luck.
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Old 31.01.2015, 21:01
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

my wife and I really didn't settle in Switzerland...we've always been full of life but here our mojo has gone missing...I guess it depends where you've moved from. We've always lived in 3mio+ cities and I guess perhaps that's part of the issue. Anyhow what we and most of the ppl we know think is that Zurich lacks a bit of soul...has plenty of advantages no doubt but just wasn't for us at the end
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

Is Basel that bad? Hum, Canada is great... only during 3 months of the year (ok, Vancouver is better).

Seriously, Toronto and Montreal are amazing cities during the summer but on other hand the cold is ridiculous in the rest of the year. Facing -30C and having sun light until only 4:30pm is a road to boredom.
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

well, winter in switzerland can be dark aswell, in the middle of winter we got daylight from around 08.30 am until 4pm (december), sun in the winter months is not very common,because we often got haze up to 1000 m, above there will be sun .
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And I was an HR Manager in my previous life. Can offer you more insights. Feel free to contact me for additional info. *smile* Good luck.
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Is Basel that bad? Hum, Canada is great... only during 3 months of the year (ok, Vancouver is better).

Seriously, Toronto and Montreal are amazing cities during the summer but on other hand the cold is ridiculous in the rest of the year. Facing -30C and having sun light until only 4:30pm is a road to boredom.



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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

Having lived in both places I find that the grass isn't necessarily greener in either, just different. They are both great countries to live in. It is definitely easier to get to know people in Canada, but you have to make the effort there as well. Finding a good job is more difficult in Canada, and you get less vacation time. The weather is definitely milder here, less hot & humid in the summer, less cold in the winter. What I love about Canada are the openness, the wide open spaces, big skies, what I love about Switzerland is public transport, it's history and the ease of travelling across Europe. Everything is so nice and close!
What I do find is in whatever place you are, and I have moved around a lot, that it takes about 4-5 years to really feel at home and make good friends. And you have to put yourself out there, join a class, group or club that interests you, and you will find likeminded friends. But you cannot expect this to happen within a year or two.
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Hello,
I came to Basel in 2013 to work in big pharma.. Its actually my first professional experience, so in fact, theres not much of it..
However, during this time I've had no life whatsoever.. it is just work and sleep basically, I am young (28), and sill feel I could do much more in life than that..
I am thinking more and more of going to Canada.. i am not even sure why this direction, I just keep reading of life over there, hoping that maybe it would be ok there..
However, I just wanted to ask what your experiences are, there is probbly many of you living here, in CH, much longer than 1 yr.. Doeas anyone know Canada?
Do you think it gets easier, the longer you stay in CH??

I cannot settle down, I hardly know anyone, and work is ok, (well, ssalary is)
but nothing special, I feel I miss sth, but maybe it is just life..

If you go to Canada and only work and sleep, you also there will miss out.
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

Never been to Ottawa but can't believe it's that much better than Montreal or Toronto.

The settlers arrived in Canada during the summer, were delighted by the natural beauty of the place, but them the winter arrived and they couldn't escape because they got trapped in snow.
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

Actually, having just returned from Ottawa, it is just brilliant in winter. Forget about darkness and cold, so much to do with an active population.

Skating on the canal till 10pm each night, skiing downhill has lighted pistes until 10pm, x-country skiing under the moonlight and stars at all hours is just fabulous. And of course the winter carnival in Feb. that is referenced below is quite an event I understand.

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The settlers arrived in Canada during the summer, were delighted by the natural beauty of the place, but them the winter arrived and they couldn't escape because they got trapped in snow.
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