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I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

Hello,
I came to Basel in 2013 to work in big pharma.. Its actually my first professional experience, so in fact, theres not much of it..
However, during this time I've had no life whatsoever.. it is just work and sleep basically, I am young (28), and sill feel I could do much more in life than that..
I am thinking more and more of going to Canada.. i am not even sure why this direction, I just keep reading of life over there, hoping that maybe it would be ok there..
However, I just wanted to ask what your experiences are, there is probbly many of you living here, in CH, much longer than 1 yr.. Doeas anyone know Canada?
Do you think it gets easier, the longer you stay in CH??

I cannot settle down, I hardly know anyone, and work is ok, (well, ssalary is)
but nothing special, I feel I miss sth, but maybe it is just life..
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

Life is what you make of it, so what have you done to make your life here what you want it to be? Been out to clubs, movies, events, meetups, etc?
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Hello,
I came to Basel in 2013 to work in big pharma.. Its actually my first professional experience, so in fact, theres not much of it..
However, during this time I've had no life whatsoever.. it is just work and sleep basically, I am young (28), and sill feel I could do much more in life than that..
I am thinking more and more of going to Canada.. i am not even sure why this direction, I just keep reading of life over there, hoping that maybe it would be ok there..
However, I just wanted to ask what your experiences are, there is probbly many of you living here, in CH, much longer than 1 yr.. Doeas anyone know Canada?
Do you think it gets easier, the longer you stay in CH??

I cannot settle down, I hardly know anyone, and work is ok, (well, ssalary is)
but nothing special, I feel I miss sth, but maybe it is just life..
Sounds like you need to get that magical little thing called a social life?
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

Hi again, well I know that I need it, even though I have never been really out going, but always had friends around though.. I just find it not possible to make in Bsl... I mean I have mat many people, couchsurfing, going up with friend's friends, but it is just not what I look for... I mean, I cannot find a common language with anyone... That is why I think it may be just difficult thing to do in switzerland, and I asked about your experiences...
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Hi again, well I know that I need it, even though I have never been really out going, but always had friends around though.. I just find it not possible to make in Bsl... I mean I have mat many people, couchsurfing, going up with friend's friends, but it is just not what I look for... I mean, I cannot find a common language with anyone... That is why I think it may be just difficult thing to do in switzerland, and I asked about your experiences...
What do you mean you can't find a common language? Even in the expat groups? Is it cultural differences?
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Hello,
I came to Basel in 2013 to work in big pharma.. Its actually my first professional experience, so in fact, theres not much of it..
However, during this time I've had no life whatsoever.. it is just work and sleep basically, I am young (28), and sill feel I could do much more in life than that..
I am thinking more and more of going to Canada.. i am not even sure why this direction, I just keep reading of life over there, hoping that maybe it would be ok there..
However, I just wanted to ask what your experiences are, there is probbly many of you living here, in CH, much longer than 1 yr.. Doeas anyone know Canada?
Do you think it gets easier, the longer you stay in CH??

I cannot settle down, I hardly know anyone, and work is ok, (well, ssalary is)
but nothing special, I feel I miss sth, but maybe it is just life..
Welcome to the forum. It is probably worth pointing out that all your issues relate to you and not the place! If you don't take the time and make the effort to get to know people then it will not happen! And by the same token if you don't set limits to the amount you work, then... well you know how it goes. Moving to Canada might help on the language front, but again unless you make the effort then you are going to find yourself in the same situation.

I'm an old dude, so my perception may wrong, but there seems to be plenty of activities going on that would attract a 28 year old, some by people on this forum. Have you tried any or all of them? What about language classes, that would be another opportunity to meet people or have you tried inviting people from work around for dinner or some other social activity? Even on the language side, I would imagine many of your generation speak English, so it should be possible to socialise with the locals to a fair extent as well.
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

I can sympathise with the OP even though, at around twice his/her age, I personally have enough excitement to keep me liking the place .

I always get the impression that life is more dull here for the younger guys so I wouldn't discourage a move however.... before you do so I would be asking myself why I've not made more friends here. If you're a naturally shy type, a new country might not change anything.

So before leaving I would definitely think about giving CH another go. You must have some interests you can share with people? Any sports or social interests? Check out organisations like Meetup. And if you work for a big pharma company, do they not lay on various social activities and welfare support for those new to the country?

One other thing. Potential employers don't like people to have moved around too much. A year in your first job doesn't look great on a CV. If you can push it to 2 years it will look much better. So perhaps spend the next 6-9 months working out how to improve things, and if no better, start looking for a move then.
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Hi again, well I know that I need it, even though I have never been really out going, but always had friends around though.
Would it be the case that they befriended you rather than the other way around, I wonder. Only you can decide, but if that is the case, then moving to Canada will not make so much of a difference if your behaviour is to sit around waiting for others to make friends with you....

The other thing to keep in mind is that as people get older their habits change, in their late 20s early thirties many people are married or are in stable relationships and have kind of settled on their friends. So more of an effort is required on your part to establish the social contacts.
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

What Pachyderm said.

Swiss Big Pharma is not going to miss you, and you're not going to miss it. So go for it!

Also, if you start making plans for a move, it's odds on that something will crop up which makes Swiss life seem less dull.
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Hello,
I came to Basel in 2013 to work in big pharma.. Its actually my first professional experience, so in fact, theres not much of it..
However, during this time I've had no life whatsoever.. it is just work and sleep basically, I am young (28), and sill feel I could do much more in life than that..
I am thinking more and more of going to Canada.. i am not even sure why this direction, I just keep reading of life over there, hoping that maybe it would be ok there..
However, I just wanted to ask what your experiences are, there is probbly many of you living here, in CH, much longer than 1 yr.. Doeas anyone know Canada?
Do you think it gets easier, the longer you stay in CH??

I cannot settle down, I hardly know anyone, and work is ok, (well, ssalary is)
but nothing special, I feel I miss sth, but maybe it is just life..

Yes I know Canada ,it is fantastic , out of this world
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

Sounds like you are missing life. Canada has plenty of it.

But also the types that will worry about returns before investments, even at 28, so I wouldn't think it is country/culture based, just that you can avoid them easier in a bigger area

It might be that you need more time to apply your regular friend selection process, you have been here too short and too occupied with The Rules like garbage, recycling, transport shibang, annoying unsolicited and unintelligent judgements..

That all exist in CA but the gods that are being openly worshipped are different. Whether that is true in genuine, private life...depends who are you seeking as people to connect with.
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

I agree that the problem isn't really Switzerland but the OP's personal situation. I love it here and am finding it difficult to make the decision to leave.

However, if I were 29 at the beginning of my career I would be feeling the same way as the OP. At this stage his/her life I think somewhere else is probably better. Once s/he's older and more settled coming back to Switzerland might be something s/he'll think about.

And Canada... Yeah! It is one place I would move to if the opportunity presented itself.

Montreal would be top on my list if it weren't sooooooo freaking cold! Head for Toronto or Vancouver. But if immigration is an issue and you are EU citizen, you might also consider London, Dublin or even Brussels.

Brussels seems like an odd choice. But it is a great place for young professionals. It's super international. Lots of young people in the same boat. Lots of cultural and going out options. It's quirky and weird and fun! Your salary will go further than in London or Paris. It's easy to live there. Same for Dublin.

Good luck with your decision.

Oh. ETA: I do agree that having only 1 year in this job is not going to do you an favors. You really need to push this to two years at the minimum. So, start making a real effort to get out there. And before long you'll be ready to move and then you'll be leaving all your new friends behind. That's the sad part of being young and international.
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Your in good hand here .Forget the parma ,Dali is the new work place .Long work hr. is not the problem , getting to work is
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

As someone that takes time to meet new people, no matter where I lived, it was always difficult to find meaningful relationships. So I started to explore what the cities have to offer on my own.
I had lived in NYC, and that helps a lot, since somebody, somewhere is doing something you are interested in. I went to orchids clubs. Yes, to see people that collects orchids and talk about them . Photography groups, galleries, museums, you name it.
In the end, the thing that changed me was a new coworker. It was a German guy that wanted us to have lunch together, going for coffee, to happy hour. This opened my view of the city, from being lonely to spending time with real people.
Now in Norway, I live in the most boring city. However, all it took was to find a Greek girlfriend, and to meet the Greek community. Great people to have around. Nothing like sharing your life with others.
We will be moving to Zurich soon. And we know that the first thing we will do would be to get to know the local Greeks.

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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

Where were you before? How had you made friends there? What was different about it, or were you unhappy there as well? If there was all good, why is the same method not working out here? Just throwing some questions out there!

I have to agree with some of the others that Switzerland is better for older people than for young people. When asked how I'm liking it here, I always reply that I think had I been any more than about 2 years younger (31) I would have found it not lively enough for me.

The questions above though, maybe the answers will help you think about whether moving will solve the problem, or whether you'd just end up taking it with you.

I also agree that you should try to do another year at your job for your CV/resume
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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

As a Canadian, I'll tell you outright that your social life will excel at an exponential rate in Canada with the slightest effort by yourself. Since everyone speaks English, finding out that you speak any other language already puts you in the category of interesting people. There are large communities of expats in all the major cities so you shouldn't have any problem in finding someone from your home country to interact with if needed. We are friendly, not xenophobic, and also generally looking to meet new people. You'll enjoy it a hell of a lot more than here if you're looking for the social aspect.
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Just get ready for lots of this, eh

"How did they name Canada? The letters were thrown in a bag, and the first one to be picked was 'C' eh?, then 'N' eh? and finally 'D' eh?"
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Unless you're in Quebec.

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Re: I've never liked it much in CH, thinking of Canada

Hey OP.

I am same age as you - moved to Basel about six months ago.

I have found it tough enough going to meet people I guess also, although I have been lucky enough to get pally with two swiss people of similar age.

I think the issue for me was that I spent my whole life previous to this in the one place ( Ireland ) and as such I had a whole lifetime of connections and support structure built up already.

When you come away from that you kind of start from scratch in a way again and it IS tough.

My suggestion would not be to get overly hung up on things yet.

Realise that you are starting from scratch and Rome was not built in a day.

If you happen to have a hobbie or interest you are passionate about, you could try seek out clubs or societies for whatever it is and try met folks that way. It is easier to bond with someone if you share an interest.

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As a Canadian, I'll tell you outright that your social life will excel at an exponential rate in Canada with the slightest effort by yourself. Since everyone speaks English, finding out that you speak any other language already puts you in the category of interesting people. There are large communities of expats in all the major cities so you shouldn't have any problem in finding someone from your home country to interact with if needed. We are friendly, not xenophobic, and also generally looking to meet new people. You'll enjoy it a hell of a lot more than here if you're looking for the social aspect.
I too am Canadian and agree. We Canadians are very open and love meeting new people. I understand how you are feeling. I moved to CH over 2 years ago and married my wife after dating long distance. I understand how you feel but I am learning that you really need to make an effort here. Try learning German, and try to get out to social events. This forum helps me to learn about these events and also meetup.com. The Swiss are not very outgoing and can be xenophobic and I have learned that you really have to make the effort here. Good luck!
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