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Lol, you're in for a shock once you get here.
In this country (Dominican republic) average rent is higher then average salary .
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Old 20.04.2015, 16:44
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

Have you contacted the Army yet asking about doing your military service. Really think you should. It is an obligation if you are to live here!!! Tell them you are coming back to live, and you want to plan ahead, and ideally would like to do a large block of time, at leat a month, with them up front.

It is much easier to get casual work in Switzerland than say the UK, which is a typical migrant destination. I assume it is easier than DR too!

Things that come to mind: Car garage (cleaning sweeping up, whatever), farm work (most farmers claim not to speak English, but once they hear my German which works but is very funny I am told, they get confidence.) Also apartment cleaning, gardening, building sites, cycle repair shop, painting/decorating/building renovation work. Restaurant work in kitchen. What are your hobbies/skills/pastimes?

Learn a language. At least get good at translating legal stuff with google.

If you are willing to rough it a bit, you can definitely make it. Is that the sort of start you would be up for though? Once you have a roof over your head and a job you can get more idealistic.
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

Hi, Welcome. I'm a swiss raised abroad, came back a couple years ago at 28. Know quite a few other Swiss who were raised abroad as well.

Where to go? I recommend Zürich, bigger, more international, more fun.

In terms of Social assistance, yes you qualify. I had enough savings when I first got here and found a job fast enough that I didn't need it, but a Swiss-raised-abroad friend of mine came here without a swiss passport, AHV number or anything.. (he was born in CH, to a CH father, but left as a toddler with his mother and lost contact with swiss side of family - didn't have any paperwork). He was supported by Sozial Hilfe for a time while that was being sorted out, and after a few months he was supporting himself. From my perspective it worked as it's meant to. No one wants to go on it but it's good to know you'll be ok if things don't go as planned.

Ignore the naysayers... You are Swiss, this is your country, everyone else is just visiting

And despite what I often see posted on this forum, there are tons of people working here with no German/French/Italian.

Military.. I was too old.. a friend of mine didn't want to do it and downplayed his language skills, didn't have to do it. They'll contact you once you register here.

If you get over here and have specific q's feel free to pm.
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Old 20.04.2015, 21:32
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

I say stay where you're at. My husband was raised in Switzerland the first 25 years of his life, moved away and came back 25 years later and found he couldn't stand a lot of things about Switzerland. Just my .02.
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Old 21.04.2015, 04:57
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@p42 ; I contacted the army but they require both written and spoken german, french or italian.
I do have to admit i am good with computers i can fix them easily, but of course installing windows or fixing the wifi , in deutsch , can be complicated lol.
My Hobbies are computers, i spend most of my free time looking at computer parts and computer news, me and my brother have build a couple of computers ourselves(not that it is a great feat but it is worth mentioning), i also worked as a store clerk, waiter and for a very limited time as a bartender.
My hobbies and pastime are pretty much limited to computers, but my friends and family always consult with me small tech things . For the last two years i have basically worked in call centers for the last 10 months it has been for an auto financing company.

@wife of a swiss ; my father lived 30 of his 60 years in switzerland, he left during the 80s, and he refuses to speak much about it, but it seems things were very very harsh during those years, as he speaks a lot of gathering fallen fruits so that they could be conserved. But right now when i bring the topic in his eyes i can tell he regrets leaving switzerland, because he has been struggling a lot lately.

@timpb ; i have only met my swiss side of family(cousin and uncle) twice, and my grandmother about 5 times. I was never able to establish any connection with them. My brother played some runescape with my cousin but that was about it.

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Old 21.04.2015, 14:35
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I say stay where you're at. My husband was raised in Switzerland the first 25 years of his life, moved away and came back 25 years later and found he couldn't stand a lot of things about Switzerland. Just my .02.
That's only because they've let in too many foreigners over the past 25 years, and made health insurance mandatory.

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Old 21.04.2015, 15:17
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That's only because they've let in too many foreigners over the past 25 years, and made health insurance mandatory.

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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

As you’ll see from my earlier post, I’ve been thinking a lot about your situation, and how it could work. I really like it when someone decides to research all options, and put their best foot forward, and work hard to make something work. So, well done for checking everything out!

I certainly agree with you that some (but by no means all) people who have enough money to fly backwards and forwards between continents sometimes forget that this option is simply not available to others less financially blessed.

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To get benefits you need an address in Switzerland.
so I wrote to a government office, with the following question. Please note that for the Swiss, any Swiss citizen is regarded as “returning” to Switzerland, even if he/she has never even been here before.

"Grüezi
für einen rückkehrenden Auslandschweizer, noch ohne festen Wohnsitz, möchte ich bitte wissen, bei wem er sich melden müsste, falls er Sozialhilfe würde benötigen.

Vor seine Rückreise wird er Arbeit suchen, falls er jedoch nicht sofort welche findet, vermutlich gleich nach der Rückreise auf Unterstützung des Sozialamts angewiesen sein. In der ersten Zeit wird er jeweils nur während einigen Tagen bei mehreren Bekannten zu Gast sein, bis er einen Lohn verdient mit dem er eine Wohnung oder ein Zimmer mieten kann.

Für einen link zur zuständigen Behörde, und wenn möglich mit Checkliste der Dokumente die er liefern müsste, wären wir Ihnen sehr dankbar.

Vielen Dank und
freundliche Grüsse"


Translated by google, with a bit of modification from me:
"Grüezi
for returning Swiss from abroad, who does not yet have a fixed abode [in Switzerland], I would like to know please, to whom he would have to report if he needed social assistance.

Before his return [to Switzerland] he will look for work [in Switzerland], but if he does not immediately find any, he will probably need support from the social services office immediately after his return [to Switzerland]. During the first phase he will be a guest of several acquaintances, for only a few days at a time, until he earns a salary with which he could then rent an apartment or rent a room.

We would be very grateful for a link to the appropriate authority, and if possible a checklist of documents to which he would have to produce.

Thank you very much and
kind regards"

Remarkably quickly, I received this reply:
"Kann sich diese Person die Rückreise in die Schweiz selber finanzieren? Ansonsten ist die Schweizer Botschaft im Ausland für die Hilfestellung bei der Rückreise zuständig.

Wo möchte sich diese Person niederlassen? Als Schweizer Bürger hat er Niederlassungsfreiheit und muss sich nach seiner Rückkehr in die Schweiz bei den Sozialen Diensten der Gemeinde, wo er sich aufhält, für den Bezug von wirtschaftlicher Sozialhilfe anmelden.

Damit dann die Mittellosigkeit so schnell als möglich geprüft werden kann, braucht es alle finanzrelevanten Dokumente der letzten sechs Monate (Kontoauszüge aller Bankkonti im Original, Lohnabrechnungen, Arbeitsverträge und - Kündigungen, Unterlagen zu Wohneigentum und Fahrzeugen, evt. Scheidungsurteile und Unterhaltsvereinbarungen etc.).

Sollten Sie noch weitere Fragen haben können Sie uns selbstverständlich wieder kontaktieren."


Translated by google, with a bit of modification from me:
"Can this person finance the return to Switzerland itself? If not, the Swiss embassy abroad is responsible for providing assistance with the return journey.

Where does this person wish to settle? As a Swiss citizen, he has freedom of establishment and to receive economic welfare he must, on his return to Switzerland, register at the social services office in the municipality where he is staying.

So then his lack of means can be established/tested as quickly as possible, he will need to show all finance-related documents for the last six months (bank statements of all bank accounts in the original, pay slips, employment contracts and dismissals or resignations, documents to any residential property and vehicles he owns, possibly divorce decrees and maintenance agreements, etc..).

If you have any further questions you can, of course, contact us again."

So now we know. And when they say they will want to see all those documents, they really do mean ALL of them.

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It is not so much as a desire to leave a third world country , it is more a desire to advance as a person .
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Learn a language. At least get good at translating legal stuff with google.
If you are willing to rough it a bit, you can definitely make it. … Once you have a roof over your head and a job you can get more idealistic.
Also, even if you’ve had no contact with your cousins for ages, it might still be worth writing to them. After all, just like you are reaching out for new experiences, and want to advance and grow, they, too, might be emotionally different now, perhaps in a more open phase in their lives, changed from back then when your brother and they played runescape. I don’t expect you have anything to lose, really, by trying to see if they’d be interested in meeting you. Lots and lots of things in Switzerland happen through personal contacts, and it is a good idea to mobilise all you can.

And once again… I’d recommend couchsurfing.
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Old 22.04.2015, 15:46
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

I am trying to establish contact with my cousin, it is very hard since I am not big in Facebook or any modern social tool.

I believe I could try to rent a temporary room for 3 or 2months, I have actually been trying to learn German but since I have not had any practice(no volunteers) so I basically just learn German grammar lol, maybe during that time I can try to take German classes.

And if nothing comes my way then pull the SH card.
I also read about the kilcher fund (which is a no interest loan available to returning swiss) do you have any info on that? Or that aid just covers any delay of the SH? Taking a loan would be preferable over the other option.

@doropfiz you are a samaritanian juggernaut(don't try to picture it in your head, it won't work).

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Old 23.04.2015, 08:45
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

Thanks @doropfiz. So in this situation you have absolutely nothing financially in your way stopping your return. It seems to be Psychological. What if you can never go back to DR? Well, cancel your room in advance, just wait until the SH cheque comes in an buy a ticket to DR.

I have paid into this SH system, and, like your ancestors who worked hard, voted to avoid wars and conflicts, kept Switzerland neutral, all for their descendants, want SH to be used by genuine cases like you. That is what it is really for. It is not for economic migrants, which you are not. This is your birthright, and to not come back and at least see what your ancestors worked to provide, is an insult to their lifelong efforts.

What if you can never go back to DR? Well, just wait until the SH cheque comes in an buy a ticket to DR.

Just get those documents together, and rock up. I have rented rooms to people I met on EF. There is no shortage of single room accommodation in the area surrounding Zurich for 500 per month.
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I am trying to establish contact with my cousin, it is very hard since I am not big in Facebook or any modern social tool.
Have you tried www.directories.ch ? It is the Swiss telephone book. Unlike some other countries, a lot of information is completely open and free, here. You can search by place, by surname, by first name, etc.

... trying to learn German. There are many videos out there. I liked the clarity and pace of this one, for beginners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39bPUvYShOU

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I also read about the kilcher fund (which is a no interest loan available to returning swiss) do you have any info on that?
Sorry, I don't know anything more about this than what you can find online.

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@doropfiz you are a samaritanian juggernaut(don't try to picture it in your head, it won't work).
Oh, that really made me laugh! Thanks.

For some info about couchsurfing, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CouchSurfing and to register www.couchsurfing.com. It is a free hospitality site, for a place to sleep. All other costs are not automatically included. This is not a dating site, and the idea is to make your profile and to read the profiles of others and meet and get to know people who live locally, rather than travellers staying, for example, in hostels or hotels. You can join right away, and try to meet couchsurfers in DR, now, and learn from them how they have hosted and surfed.

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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

I have the Deutsch plus videos (BBC) , they are great because they speak only in German with German subtitles, and I also have some apps teaching German grammar(tenses,conjugation,pronouns,prenouns,verbs etc), It feels fruitless with no practice since I'm struggling to keep everything in my head I cannot build a word base.
My goal is to learn how to read first, and from there build a lexicon.
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I have the Deutsch plus videos (BBC) , they are great because they speak only in German with German subtitles, and I also have some apps teaching German grammar(tenses,conjugation,pronouns,prenouns,verbs etc), It feels fruitless with no practice since I'm struggling to keep everything in my head I cannot build a word base.
My goal is to learn how to read first, and from there build a lexicon.
Are you implying that you intend to ignore pronounciation for the time being?

IMHO that's an extremely bad idea. Absent the correct information you'll automatically apply some other pronounciation rules, you won't be able to help that, and momorize them wrongly. Correcting that later on will be even more exhausting then learning the correct one right away.

Are you aware that about one quarter of Switzerland are native french speakers? And isn't french spoken in Haiti? Perhaps you have access to some french speakers willing to teach you so maybe learning french is the better choice?
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

Yes, Uncle Max is right. It must be acoustic as well as on paper! You really should be practicing saying the words out loud, following the videos, so that you are both copying the sound you hear and watching the position of the speaker's lips, tongue, etc.
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

I'd go for the French part of Switzerland, you speak it. Why go through the worry of learning German which could take years?

Go to Lausanne, Geneva, Neuchatel etc. the prices for rooms are about the same as in Zurich - but with French you will get a job quicker. And understand the ins and outs of the paperwork required better.

You can always visit your family up there or they can visit you.

If you do come here, fill a suitcase with all your documents and more (even if they seem silly) they love paperwork. and if you are missing just one - back to square one.
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I'd go for the French part of Switzerland, you speak it. ....
etefan02, is Patsycat right that you speak French? If so, then yes, do go there! If, however, you do not speak French, and have to learn a Swiss language, then I'd definitely advise continuing in German, since you've started that, and especially if your father's family speaks German.

Can you not practice German with your father? Even if he does not want to return to Switzerland, I hope he knows that you are considering it.

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If you do come here, fill a suitcase with all your documents and more (even if they seem silly) they love paperwork. and if you are missing just one - back to square one. ....
Patsycat is absolutely right about this! Bring everything you can think of:
- all your certificates of every school/college/university/course you ever attended, even if you passed just one module,
- all your banking statements of at least the last 6 months, preferably a year
- your tax declarations/forms, and the bills and proof that you paid them
- if your country/municipality/city/court issues a certificate to say that you have not had any debt, then that, too
- a police/government security certificate declaring that you do not have a criminal record
- any certificate or registration with any church, organisation, society or club of any kind, including sports, especially if you have something showing your level of ability/participation
- any certificates of employment, and references or testimonials from your employers and/or colleagues, especially when these list the abilities/skills you brought to the job, what your responsibilities were, and that they appreciated you, regretted seeing you go, and would be happy to hire you again
- written references or testimonials from serious and respected people who know you and can vouch for your integrity, reliablity
- the same kind of letter from your landlord(s) or flat-mates recommending you as a reliable tenant (pays his rent punctually, respects the rules of the house, gets along well with the other neighbours, and - if true - is a quiet non-smoker, etc.)
- get a number of good passport photos made (best in an shirt with a collar), that are high enough quality to scan well. You will need these over and over again when applying for work and for flats.
- your full birth certificate, original, plus several copies which are certified true originals, stamped by a government authority
- copies of the birth certificates of your father and your mother
- a copy of their marriage certificate, if they were married
- a copy of their divorce decree, if they are divorced and will agree to giving you that information (they don't have to)
- any kind of official "Family book" of your country, showing something of your parents and grandparents and siblings and yourself, of course
- a copy of every document/all the paperwork you (or your father) submitted to get the registration of your Swiss nationality done
- the original and a copy of your DR citizenship documents (passport, identity card), if you are also a DR citizen, and the same for any other citizenship you might hold
- if you have ever been married, then all the documentation of your spouse, your marriage documentation and, if applicable, the divorce papers
- all the papers of any children you may have, including the papers of their other parent

As far as is possible, be ready to translate at least some of these into English, though the work references/testimonials might be better in German.
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Old 27.04.2015, 02:53
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

I will bring all the documents i could need.
Also, right now i am trying to secure an apartment, of course doing this from abroad and not in the official language is hard, and i understand why.

Any tips on apartment renting, any special website? Any special tips on how should i approach if i dont speak deutsch? Is it even possible to reserve an apartment 100% over the internet? What could be the requirments to rent an apartment?

I cant lie, i dont speak ANY french, i am used to the german pronunciation i have grown hearing it and listening it, i dont ignore pronunciation that would be linguistic suicidal lol.

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Finding a landlord that will let you rent their flat with no job and no income will be virtually impossible. Just don't send your money via Western Union to anyone saying that they have a flat for you on Bahnhofstrasse.
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Re: Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

Already in switzerland for more than two weeks.

In my current canton any social benefit becomes debt, which is paid 100%, starting with 60% of my first paycheck(when i start working).
Still havent made a social case of myself, but its heading that way.

I have to admit i expected more shine and cleanliness ,but so far wherever i go there is a lot of grafiti, and it is so hard to find a policemen.

But on the brightside the seniors are so kind and chatty (as opposed to what i expected by reading the forums), the trains are abusively expensive, but milk and beer feel like it is given away when compared to the offers in dominican republic.

I have spoken with different people including german people, spanish people, pakistani people, latin people and a dominican person, and they all say the pay is good and the quality of,life(Purchasing power) is extremely high, actually so high it is corrupting. I wont believe it until i experiment it myself, but the sheer amount of lambos and ferraries i have seen so far is out of this word.

Well sorry for posting out of topic, but i am excruciatingly bored right now.
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I'd go for the French part of Switzerland, you speak it. Why go through the worry of learning German which could take years?
Dogs are better than cats, and German has a higher ROI (Return on Investment) than French:

An "MIT economist who calculated the 2% premium, found quite different premiums for different languages: just 1.5% for Spanish, 2.3% for French and 3.8% for German. This translates into big differences in the language account: your Spanish is worth $51,000, but French, $77,000, and German, $128,000."

http://www.economist.com/blogs/prosp...language-study
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