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Anyway, I thought it was clear that everyone is going to hell so it makes little difference what you do on earth. Each of the major religions preach believe in our God (or Gods or prophets), repent your sins (if you have any - although for Christians it appears sin is a plus as long as you confess - the "Get out of jail free card" of religion) otherwise you are damned to eternity with a hot poker up your ring piece, a thousand lashes daily and Barrry Manilow on a, turned up tp 11, infinite loop. Admittedly for some that might sound like paradise.

In other words, just a normal Saturday night party in the DK household
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Old 16.04.2015, 15:50
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Re: Church bells

Have you tried earplugs (for your son obviously, although I guess you could use them yourself and just ignore him, god knows I'm often tempted to do that with my kids!).

Even if not a long term solution it would confirm if it's the noise or other problems.

Coop City sell silicone ones that are like wax ones but re-usable and less messy, and I know fit the ears of a nine year old. Migros sell soft conical foam ones which would probably also work.
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Have you tried earplugs (for your son obviously)
In my experience, the air pressure (Noise) of the bell was shaking my skull. Ear plugs were useless, which is why I bought 2 pieces of foam rubber sheeting to cover the window. That removed about 80% of the noise, and the ear plugs stopped the rest.
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It's the poor old Protestants that have to rely on getting in a whole lifetimes' worth of confession on their death beds that need to worry, and so are presumable the ones that require all those bells!
I think you're getting your Christian flavors mixed up. Protestants don't confess to anything, they're just apt at working a lot and then telling others of their suffering. Catholics don't work quite as hard, but like to talk to a "man in the know" in the confessional and drink more during communion.

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Have you tried earplugs (for your son obviously, although I guess you could use them yourself and just ignore him, god knows I'm often tempted to do that with my kids!).

Even if not a long term solution it would confirm if it's the noise or other problems.

Coop City sell silicone ones that are like wax ones but re-usable and less messy, and I know fit the ears of a nine year old. Migros sell soft conical foam ones which would probably also work.
Thanks for the suggestion, this route is not open to us for various reasons. Us adults already are using them.

I'm tempted to try and start a petition just for kicks. Will report back if there's anything interesting to tell.
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Thanks for the suggestion, this route is not open to us for various reasons. Us adults already are using them.

I'm tempted to try and start a petition just for kicks. Will report back if there's anything interesting to tell.
Won't you do the expats in Switzerland a great service.
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Won't you do the expats in Switzerland a great service.
Not sure how will affect them? The rest of the signatories would be our Swiss neighbours and if they don't sign there won't be a petition.
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Re: Church bells

I am so glad I am a crazy researcher, because I had stumbled on that quaint little titbit early on in the "are we gonna take the plunge and move to CH" debate.

And so, when I scope out prospective properties online, I always make sure I have a google maps open in the next window over, which shows all the churches in Zürich.
One of those crazy bell ringers nearby is bad enough, but I once saw a perfect little place, with not one, not two, but three churches in a 500 m radius. Uhm, no thanks
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Slammer lived for a while in Berneck in SG and there we had the third largest but arguably loudest church bell in CH, window panes would rattle and pictures on the wall would shake when that bugger blew holes in the troposphere.
My flat had line of sight, one KLANGGGGG at quarter past, two KLANNNNNNGZZZ at half past and three detonations at three quarters, and on the hour four nukes followed by the supernovas of time.
But that wasn´t the worst, that award goes to the butcher next door on Monday when the pigs got delivered at four in the morning, did you know that a pig can squeal at 130 decibels, the same as a jet engine, but jets have between two and four engines, imagine 15 to 20 pigs under your bedroom window.

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But that wasn´t the worst, that award goes to the butcher next door on Monday when the pigs got delivered at four in the morning, did you know that a pig can squeal at 130 decibels, the same as a jet engine, but jets have between two and four engines, imagine 15 to 20 pigs under your bedroom window.
Someone's got an inspiration:

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Old 17.04.2015, 12:02
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I'm tempted to try and start a petition just for kicks. Will report back if there's anything interesting to tell.
How long has the church been there, and when did you move in? Has it occurred to you that you might have moved into the wrong place, and now just need to adjust or move somewhere else?
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How long has the church been there, and when did you move in? Has it occurred to you that you might have moved into the wrong place, and now just need to adjust or move somewhere else?
I find your response a little inappropriate. I am trying to resolve a difficult family situation and you give me two 'solutions'. One: tell my 8 year old to adjust - tried it, he's now up in tears until 10 pm ever night. Moving: also been trying that for over two years now, simply not possible. So the only other answer lies in finding out if our neighbours feel the same way as we do. If they do, we're helping them too, if not, we reach a dead end.

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I think you're getting your Christian flavors mixed up. Protestants don't confess to anything, they're just apt at working a lot and then telling others of their suffering. Catholics don't work quite as hard, but like to talk to a "man in the know" in the confessional and drink more during communion.

Please note that I won't tell Jesus about your error if you cross yourself 21 times and leave small children alone when they're having a shower.
Yes they do, always begging for forgiveness on their deathbeds.....

PS; should I play my 'mother of an abused child' at this point?
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I find your response a little inappropriate. I am trying to resolve a difficult family situation and you give me two 'solutions'. One: tell my 8 year old to adjust - tried it, he's now up in tears until 10 pm ever night. Moving: also been trying that for over two years now, simply not possible. So the only other answer lies in finding out if our neighbours feel the same way as we do. If they do, we're helping them too, if not, we reach a dead end.

Admin: Please close this thread, it's outlived its usefulness.
Thread has outlived its usefulness because no-one agrees you should attempt to shut-up the church bells in your neighborhood?

Move to the Emirates or Saudi and try a petition against the 5 times daily calling from minarets, with Fridays almost non-stop calling and reading of the holy book over loudspeakers. You may also object to not being allowed to walk past a mosque during prayer times, even if its the shortest route to shop.

In other words, don`t make a fuss - you`ll get used to it in time, and so will your child - IF you don`t keep fussing.
Much like living next to a train shunting yard! Eventually you`ll not really notice the noise, or it won`t upset you so much.
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Old 17.04.2015, 18:17
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Re: Church bells

When I was visiting my then-boyfriend (now husband), the bells in his town were very disturbing when I could not sleep at night. I was like your son, laying there and when the next bell chimed I would stress I had missed another 15 minutes of sleep! After a while I got used to it and didn't even hear them any more. When I moved here, we chose a little village where the nearest church is several kms away. Wonderful!

A few more options for you to try at home: a white-noise machine or noise-canceling headphones for him. Calming rituals before bed, like a bath and a warm glass of milk, followed by a bedtime story. A reminder that the church bells will chime, but he doesn't need to worry what time it is because you (the parents) are there with him.

As others have said, there's a possibility your son has an underlying issue and it's just manifesting with the bells. He's had a lot of changes in his life recently. If he continues to be anxious, consider talking to his doctor to rule out any physical or psychological issues. Good luck!
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Old 17.04.2015, 18:40
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How long has the church been there, and when did you move in? Has it occurred to you that you might have moved into the wrong place, and now just need to adjust or move somewhere else?
Have I missed something here? It's not like OP is planning to have that church removed.

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Has anyone ever tried contacting a church admin to find out if there's something that can be done? All we want is for the clock to stop striking overnight. We live in a really built-up area so can't be the only ones feeling this way (I need to ask around about this locally but haven't yet had the time).

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Re: Church bells

China Girl, I am sure many of us here understand what you are going through.

For some people the mantra that " even if you are not sleeping, your body is resting" may help remove some of your son's anxiety about counting the chimes, if he is old enough to accept that concept.

Some EFers are very witty and Church bells are a bit like the dead parrot in the Monty Python sketch.

I very much hope that in a few months time, this will prove to be a distant memory for you all. Moving in Switzerland is a nightmare! Good luck.
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Old 17.04.2015, 19:56
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If you think you have a problem with bells, then spare a thought for this poor victim:
The prettiest cow gets the biggest cow bell, if I come back as a cow please let me the ugliest cow lol
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I am trying to resolve a difficult family situation and you give me two 'solutions'. One: tell my 8 year old to adjust - tried it, he's now up in tears until 10 pm ever night. Moving: also been trying that for over two years now, simply not possible. .
OP, try to get him really tired by the time he has to go to bed. Outdoor demanding physical activity, mentally stimulating games, maybe trying to memorise a short text, handicraft work, anything that could pleasantly "exhaust" him. A glass of warm milk with a teaspoon of honey before he brushes his teeth.
Good luck.

P.S. With your petition too...who knows.

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Old 17.04.2015, 22:09
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Re: Church bells

Considering young children growing up in places like Syria; in between gunfire, bombs going off around them, and the danger of maybe even being gassed. And then comparing to an 8 year old boy in some Swiss village or city, piturbed by church bells.... hmmmm, seriously, the boy will be fine, unless he's a noodle. Likely to be even more resilient than his parents, lest stripped of any form of grit and fortitude away from him.

Threads like these lead me to believe Switzerland needs to raise the bar for the people they allow to move here.
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