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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

Buy a bottle of water from a shop in the airport before after security but before you board (if you are able to). Long haul flights can be very dehydrating, and I never feel like the cabin crew come around often enough with the drink cart.
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

Hi there!

I lived in is for 6 years and loved it! One of the best places on earth!

Sydney and surroundings are a must! But for a "real" Aussie experience, I would personally replace Melbourne with Queensland! Can't go down under without seeing the beaches as well as the Great Barrier Reef - must! Lots of beautiful islands as well. Great ocean road is nice, but does not compare to QLD (in my opinion).

Flight: lots of movies to watch and relax Not so bad, emirates is a great airline!

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So me and OH are going for a 'let's see if we can survive 4 weeks without killing each other' trip to Australia.
Him: Has travelled the world extensively for work
Me: Never been outside of Europe
Both of us: Non-drinkers, not party animals either, love good food (he dosnt eat fish)

So far we have booked return tickets to Sydney. Then the plan is to fly to Melbourne and drive the great ocean road for 3 days before returning there. After that there is no plan.

Thats were you guys come in. Any suggestions? We need to squeeze in a few days to New Zealand as well.

OH likes nature, im more of a city girl. He thinks all zoos are the same, i could very happily visit every zoo in the world. He hates museums, i like them a lot.

So any tips af must see places? Any weird museums? Think weird as the penis museum in Iceland.

Also any tips on surviving a 12+ hour flight in economy class is much appreciated. We are flying with emirates
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Old 01.09.2015, 14:26
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Hello guys and girls

So me and OH are going for a 'let's see if we can survive 4 weeks without killing each other' trip to Australia.
Him: Has travelled the world extensively for work
Me: Never been outside of Europe
Both of us: Non-drinkers, not party animals either, love good food (he dosnt eat fish)

So far we have booked return tickets to Sydney. Then the plan is to fly to Melbourne and drive the great ocean road for 3 days before returning there. After that there is no plan.

Thats were you guys come in. Any suggestions? We need to squeeze in a few days to New Zealand as well.

I won't even try to give any sightseeing ideas as they are always subjective to personal experiences and expectations, besides, I am not a planner of visiting times to the countries I go to, preferring to ask fellow travellers along the way for example or taking a map and randomly selecting somewhere to go to or see if it seems interesting enough.

My only tip is, if you get the chance to do so, is order in advance the vegetarian meals on the plane. They are by far fresher and tastier and you usually get served first as well. Plane food is plane food, but pre-cooked then re-heated meat is one thing I can do without.
Wish you both an excellent trip hopefully packed full of lifetime experiences and memories.

OH likes nature, im more of a city girl. He thinks all zoos are the same, i could very happily visit every zoo in the world. He hates museums, i like them a lot.

So any tips af must see places? Any weird museums? Think weird as the penis museum in Iceland.

Also any tips on surviving a 12+ hour flight in economy class is much appreciated. We are flying with emirates
I won't even try to give any sightseeing ideas as they are always subjective to personal experiences and expectations, besides, I am not a planner of visiting times to the countries I go to, preferring to ask fellow travellers along the way for example or taking a map and randomly selecting somewhere to go to or see if it seems interesting enough.

My only tip, if you get the chance to do so, is order in advance the vegetarian meals on the plane. They are by far fresher and tastier and you usually get served first as well. Plane food is plane food, but pre-cooked then re-heated meat is one thing I can do without.
Wish you both an excellent trip hopefully packed full of lifetime experiences and memories.
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

You don't mention when you're going?

I grew up in Sydney but lived in Melbourne for a couple years. Melbourne has more of a artsy/cultural/food scene than Sydney and a lot of people say it feels more European than Sydney does. Sydney has the weather and (proper) beaches. Both are great places to visit and its good to hear youre planning to see both.

Taronga Zoo is great. Take the ferry. Its a nice zoo and the views back to the city make it special.

Go to Manly. You can catch a ferry there too.


Outside of Sydney, given you have lots of time, definitely make a trip to Cairns and see the Great Barrier Reef and the Daintree Rainforest.
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

Thanks so much for all the help! There are so many things i havent thought about. Im not going to start drinking but i will pack earplugs and a scarf in my hand luggage. Dont think i will manage to sleep on the plane though.

All your suggestions are great and im in a more difficult position now than before. I really wanted to visit Ayers rock but we dont have time really. As for the great barrier reef... well, im really sad about this but that also has to go. The video Swissmountainair posted made me want to cry! Any suggestions for snorkelling around Melbourne or in New Zealand?

The itenary is shaping up now. So far we are doing Sydney, Melbourne, Great ocean road, Christchurch and Auckland for 3-4 full days each, not including travelling. Its a shame everything needs a plane ride. I dont think i have realised how large Australia is. If we didnt go to NZ, we would have tme to do more but we have to be picky unfortunately.

Im still hoping to find a day or two for a trip to the Great barrier reef but i just tell myself that i get seasick very easily and pills dont help (they really dont). Plus i get cold easily. Nope, not working But honestly, any reef will do. It doesnt have to be great, or a barrier :P

Anw thanks so much for the suggestions and please keep them coming. Especially for snorkelling!
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

Personally, I'd rather go to Australia and really enjoy it and visit as much as possible- and cover Tasmania as well - than rush over to NZ and not have time there either. Same when we visited the USA, kept meeting people who were doing 'la totale USA' in a week or 10 days, and ended up seeing so little. We do intend to do Australia and NZ one day- but will take 6 weeks minimum.

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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

Never a better time to go, airfares under a 1000 Chuffs and AUD at 6 year lows.
Second the vege or special meals, I always take one of the Hindu or Muslim meals, curry reheats well and you get served first. Take a refillable drink bottle there is always a self service water spot some where on the plane.
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

If you're not already booked to visit Christchurch, you might want to change your itinerary to include Queenstown instead. You're much more likely to get the 'quintessential' NZ experience there!
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If you're not already booked to visit Christchurch, you might want to change your itinerary to include Queenstown instead. You're much more likely to get the 'quintessential' NZ experience there!

We havent booked yet actually. Whats the 'quintessential' NZ experience?
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

Christchurch is a perfectly nice city, but I wouldn't rate it as a priority for tourists.

Queenstown (small town, dramatic South Island scenery: mountains, lakes, fjords) would be a really good contrast with Auckland (big city, harbour location, beaches, islands).

From Queenstown (http://www.queenstownnz.co.nz/) you can enjoy stunning mountain/lake/fjord scenery, explore Milford Sound/Wanaka/Te Anau/Fjordland national park/Glenorchy, and/or do adventure stuff like bungy-jumping and jet-boating, or Lord of the Rings tours (if that's your sort of thing).

Take a look here: http://www.lonelyplanet.com/new-zeal...aka/queenstown and here: http://www.lonelyplanet.com/new-zeal...y/christchurch

If Queenstown looks a bit too like Switzerland (!), you could always choose to focus on the North (Auckland, drive the Coromandel Peninsular, to Rotorua for Maori culture and geothermal). Places are further apart than you think, especially when driving a rented car on windy, hilly NZ roads!

The Thorn Tree Forum has great discussions and answers to common questions: https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntr...ca/new-zealand

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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

At the moment, Christchurch really isn't the place to go. I love it and many of my best friends still live there but it has yet to return to its former glory or rather find a new one. As silverfern said, i would do either north or south but doing both in such a short time just means you will be doing a lot of driving instead of enjoying the place. Personally I loved all the volcanic activity that is very visible in the north (was always a thrill going snowboarding on an active volcano ).

Snorkelling places close to Auckland, apart from Goat Island I already mentioned. Apartently Poor Kinghts Island, about 2 hours drive from Auckland on Tutukaka Coast (gotta love the name ) is supposed to be some of the best diving (and snorkelling) in subtropical waters, but note the subtropical, this is not the Great Barrier Reef. I thought the snorkelling at Goat Island was fun. Big fish and you can get really close to them (or get on the glass-bottom boat) but not many different species (again, not tropical).
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BTW if you drive up the westcoast of the coromandel, you are very likely to see dolphins and might even get to swim with them, just like that, jump in from the beach and there they are - magic! happened to us and some of our friends have had the same happen to them too.

the quintessential kiwi experience for me is grab your tent and go to any of these on the coast http://www.doc.govt.nz/Documents/par...rth-island.pdf. they are the simplest campsites in the most amazing places and you will meet mostly kiwis there who like to catch a fish for dinner and crack open a stein while said fish is sizzling on the barbie (or campfire as some of these places allow you to light a fire right in front of your tent that overlooks the beach). to me that is as close to heaven as i have ever been. if you like that kind of thing, you will adore NZ.

if you don't have a tent, rent a cabin in a place like Hahei, where the campsite is right next to the beach too (Department of Conservation campsite don't have cabins to rent). Or go to the world's best YHA (IMHO) in Opoutere (also Coromandel). Stop over at Colenso Cafe, another must. Or Driving Creek Cafe in Coromandel Town, awesome vegetarian food. OK, gotta stop now, getting too homesick
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Something else which I'm sure helped us a lot when we were spending so much time alone together... we made a WhatsApp group of friends and close relatives. We could send pictures and brief descriptions of what we saw and heard, even sent a couple of very short videos, and we had a lot of replies and news from Switzerland. The folk didn't all know each other to begin with but in time they got used to the informal chatting. Being able to share our enjoyment with others (without too much effort) seemed to increase our pleasure. When we got back, several of the parties said that their first move in the morning was to check WhatsApp to see what we had being doing during their night. It was useful not to have to remember to phone 'at the right time' and mostly WLAN was available at some point or other during the day.
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You don't mention when you're going?

I grew up in Sydney but lived in Melbourne for a couple years. Melbourne has more of a artsy/cultural/food scene than Sydney and a lot of people say it feels more European than Sydney does. Sydney has the weather and (proper) beaches. Both are great places to visit and its good to hear youre planning to see both.

Taronga Zoo is great. Take the ferry. Its a nice zoo and the views back to the city make it special.

Go to Manly. You can catch a ferry there too.


Outside of Sydney, given you have lots of time, definitely make a trip to Cairns and see the Great Barrier Reef and the Daintree Rainforest.
There is an awesome coastal track from manly to taronga zoo, highly recommend this walk
http://www.wildwalks.com/bushwalking...-to-manly.html

You don't need so much time for the 19 km(8hours), it took me around 4-5 hours.
You mentioned visiting ayers rock, been there , climbed it, it is against aboriginal law to take even photos of the rock.
They discussing to close the possibility to climb it.

I really recommend the bungle bungle national park, it is much better, not so overcrowded, not so expensive accomodation, much better options to talk to aboriginal people.........
The trip from Broome cost a lot of money (around 2000 AUD for 5 Days) , but is really worth the money , the distance on the road from broome and back ia around 2200 km, you see so much of australia:

http://www.kimberleywild.com.au/bungle_bungles.html

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The trip has been finally finalised. Sydney, Melbourne, Auckland and Christchurch. Ayres rock and great barrier reef are to be done in another trip unfortunately. Thanks for all the suggestions. We are still working on the details but at least the plane tickets are booked. Last week was expensive!
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The trip has been finally finalised. Sydney, Melbourne, Auckland and Christchurch. Ayres rock and great barrier reef are to be done in another trip unfortunately. Thanks for all the suggestions. We are still working on the details but at least the plane tickets are booked. Last week was expensive!
No idea how or with who you fly, but last week i booked a biz class seat for my mum to NZ.

London-Singapore-Sydney-Auckland-Hong Kong-London with BA, Chf 5'800.--

Oslo-London-Singapore-Sydney-Auckland-Hong Kong-London-Oslo, WITH BA, exact same flightsfrom London onwards, same class, same everything Chf 2'700.--

She has to fly to Oslo first admitedly in the morning, flying with SAS in economy..........Chf 100.--

Total saving Chf 3'000.-- for 2 x 2hour flight (LHR-Oslo-LHR)


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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

Flying is not my favorite thing to do (i prefer trains) so i chose emirates with one stop in Dubai.

The price of business class was more than 3k each way for tha dates we wanted. Your moms ticket sounds like an excellent deal
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No idea how or with who you fly, but last week i booked a biz class seat for my mum to NZ.

London-Singapore-Sydney-Auckland-Hong Kong-London with BA, Chf 5'800.--

Oslo-London-Singapore-Sydney-Auckland-Hong Kong-London-Oslo, WITH BA, exact same flightsfrom London onwards, same class, same everything Chf 2'700.--

She has to fly to Oslo first admitedly in the morning, flying with SAS in economy..........Chf 100.--

Total saving Chf 3'000.-- for 2 x 2hour flight (LHR-Oslo-LHR)


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Flight Prices from London seem to be expensive due to fees, taxes and demand.
If you fly to Sydney from Milan with Cathay Pacific in Business for example in April next year , the price will be around 3280 Euros(return), if you buy a ticket from London, the price will be around 3280 GBP, means 4470 Euros.
There is an offer from cathay pacific from Zurich to Australia for 4469chf.
I don't know how cathay pacific doing their price model........

For Beginners on long Haul Flights to /from i would recommend only one night on the plane, it is easier to adjust to the time zone in australia.
If you have the time and your ticket allows a stopover(for example on the way to australia), go for it.
It is pretty hard , doing 2 nights on the plane, arriving at 5 am on the third day, having the whole day ahead (mostly without the possibility to check in early). Even in Sydney there is not much going on before 7 am.

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Thats what we did. We arrive at 1030 pm and straight to the hotel
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There are currently offers to australia from Europe (CDG/FRA)with Air India for around 2800 sfr (return) in business, if you don't mind the lay over on the way back(the way to australia takes about 27 hours, the way return about 40 hours).
The fastest way to australia seems to be the connection with cathay pacific(via HKG) or Etihad (via Abu Dhabi) in around 22.30 hours.
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