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Long haul flights and Australia

Hello guys and girls

So me and OH are going for a 'let's see if we can survive 4 weeks without killing each other' trip to Australia.
Him: Has travelled the world extensively for work
Me: Never been outside of Europe
Both of us: Non-drinkers, not party animals either, love good food (he dosnt eat fish)

So far we have booked return tickets to Sydney. Then the plan is to fly to Melbourne and drive the great ocean road for 3 days before returning there. After that there is no plan.

Thats were you guys come in. Any suggestions? We need to squeeze in a few days to New Zealand as well.

OH likes nature, im more of a city girl. He thinks all zoos are the same, i could very happily visit every zoo in the world. He hates museums, i like them a lot.

So any tips af must see places? Any weird museums? Think weird as the penis museum in Iceland.

Also any tips on surviving a 12+ hour flight in economy class is much appreciated. We are flying with emirates
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Also any tips on surviving a 12+ hour flight in economy class is much appreciated.
I usually advise sleeping pills for these kind of situations. But then again I'm not a doctor.
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

Sorry cannot help with Australia. Mr L and I took six weeks over New Zealand and could happily have spent another six weeks there... and we didn't even come near to killing each other either so it can be done

Mr L had also travelled much more than I had. Mostly Europe and a couple of trips to America. My idea of a long journey was flying to Cyprus.
Our economy flights (Singapore Airlines) ZH to Singapore, Singapore to Christchurch NZ then return from Auckland NZ to Singapore, Singapore to Zürich were all a doddle. I've never been so pampered in my life. I took a scarf with me as I know that planes can be draughty but we were given blankets and pillows, socks, teeth cleaning stuff, supplied regularly with drinks and eats and, (can't remember on which flights) a real luxury for me, my very own TV and loads of selection as to what I wanted to watch or listen to. A WHOLE LENGTH FILM of my own choice with no ads, no phone calls and no-one zapping a quick look at the football... Later a whole symphony... EasyJet was never like this. I didn't sleep at all on the planes (Mr L did of course, he can sleep on a park bench!) but I hardly suffered from the lack of sleep at all. We got straight into day when we arrived.

No real tips for flying. I took a 'carrier' bag with me so that I could fill it with the stuff from the handluggage which I was most likely to need during the actual flight and dig around in it without having to jump up all the time to get articles from the overhead luggage compartment or scramble round on the floor having dropped something.

Hope all goes well with your trip and that lots of folk come up with helpful ideas.
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

Flew with Singapore Airways Zurich to Sydney, with a 24 hour stop-over in Singapore each way. Going was OK, but wouldn't bother with the return stop-over - perhaps even do both ways in one go next time (there's a couple of hours at Singapore airport, which is rather nice as airports go).

Singapore Airways are fabulous and with 50+ films to chose from plus music and TV shows, the time went surprisingly quickly. Lawrence of Arabia took up 3.5 hours.

You may consider staring drinking. Not only will it help you sleep on the plane, Oz has some fabulous, reasonably-priced wines.

We drove from Sydney to Adelaide via Melbourne in 3 weeks and loved every minute. Will be back there again...
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Also any tips on surviving a 12+ hour flight in economy class is much appreciated. We are flying with emirates
There are over 2000 channels of on demand tv, digital widescreen on A380 to sydney. You'll be fine. Food's good to - particularly the curries.
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

Depending what time of the year youn are travelling i would recommend
a trip to tasmania hiking the overland track(summer)or visting the kimberleys(winter), both are awesome places.
Another option is far north queensland , like cairns, port douglas.
The best island of the coast of far north queensland is lizard island, but it was hit by 2 cyclons and there are no updates if trips to lizard island are possible.

Sydney: Hiking in the national parks (in the sydney), Visiting the blue mountains, IMAX Sydney, Taronga Zoo(quiet expensive).

Melbourne: Phillip Island (Penguin Parade), Food Capital of Australia, Great Ocean Road.

http://www.amazon.de/Walking-Austral...g+in+australia

I would recommend flying with cathay pacific: great food and only one night one the plane:
Departing around lunchtime from Milan or zurich, arriving at 07am in Hong Kong, dep at 09am arrving at 08pm the next day in sydney.
return dep around 3 pm from sydney arrive arround 10 pm in Hong Kong
dep to zurich 00.20am or to milan 01:20am
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

What month are you going?
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

Well ,can't say much about emirates, the plane will be a 777 to dubai and an A 380 from dubai to sydney .But the space in economy is limited.
Even in an A 380 , there is not much space in the cheapest class.
The airport is huge and depending on your connection time (from 2 to 10 hours), you need an hotel if you are connecting to the flight 10 hours later.

If you are not used to sleep on the plane, it can be a nightmare.
Buy eyeshades and earplugs(don't know if emirates provide them).
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Flew with Singapore Airways Zurich to Sydney, with a 24 hour stop-over in Singapore each way. Going was OK, but wouldn't bother with the return stop-over - perhaps even do both ways in one go next time (there's a couple of hours at Singapore airport, which is rather nice as airports go).

Singapore Airways are fabulous and with 50+ films to chose from plus music and TV shows, the time went surprisingly quickly. Lawrence of Arabia took up 3.5 hours.

You may consider staring drinking. Not only will it help you sleep on the plane, Oz has some fabulous, reasonably-priced wines.

We drove from Sydney to Adelaide via Melbourne in 3 weeks and loved every minute. Will be back there again...
Recently acquired a book re Swiss ancestors on my father's mother's side, from Boudry and area on Lake Neuchâtel shore- planted the Victoria vineyards in the 1840s - sadly all the efforst lost in the phyloxera epidemic of 1870. So watching this thread with interest as it is our next long haul holiday planned, with some relatives still in the area (one of whom has written a fascinating book about the emigration and the planting adventures- including all the letters written home)- including visiting Tasmania and other cousins on OH's side. Thanks for the thread.
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

Ok, we did Sydney and NSW this spring: Flew into Sydney,
- I know it's not the most popular opinion, but I found Sydney ok-ish at best and incredibly overpriced. People will tell you that Australia is expensive but the truth is that the city is over the top compared to the other parts...
- took the Grand Pacific Drive instead of the ocean road in Victoria... very nice road it is.
- loved the smaller coastal towns along the southern NSW coast, for example Kiama (visit the blowhole)
- we spend a couple of days in the blue mountains and my expectation was really low (if you live in Switzerland do you know that most other mountains are disappointing...). I actually loved it and we stayed at an amazing hotel (five stars awesomeness cost us there less than some standard hotel in the center of Sydney). It's called Lilianfels and I recommend it as it was walking distance to the biggest tourist spot.
- we spend a couple of days in hunter valley. They really got tourism figured out with tons of winery tours and foodie stuff. however, the wine while good is in my opinion not as good as other regions of Australia. That said was our accommodation the best we have seen in Australia and if you happen to play golf make sure you check it out: Chateau Elan.

P.S> Zoos: In NSA are you not allowed to hold the Koala on your arm as in the other states...
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

get a shower in transit airport (if you went through singapore there is even a swimming pool), always helps.

make sure you stop at warrnambool at the end of great ocean road. extinct volcano nature park, great kangaroo watching at dusk.
http://visitwarrnambool.com.au/book-...re-the-region/

sydney is so awesome, you'll want to spend more time there, especially as a city girl. newtown is super cool, full of students and crazies and not a golden arch in sight. biggest second hand bookstore in the southern hemisphere, i believe, is there too. to paddington for saturday markets and window shopping. coogee for the surf and not as crowded as bondi. if you like zoos, taronga is one of the best i have been to.

melbourne is super super awesome too and make sure you explore brunswick road and st kilda for interesting shops and people watching. downtown look for the tiny little backstreet cafes, melbourne at its best.

a few days in new zealand, oh, you'll regret you ever said that. nz is much bigger than it looks on the map and if you want to explore the interesting bits, you will spend a lot of time driving. even just around auckland there are so many things to do, explore for example black sand beaches on west coast, te henga (bethell's used to have a cafe in the dunes next to the beach where you could get the most awesome burgers served out of a caravan and meet the locals on a friday night. waiwera for hotwater pools just half an hour drive out of akl. goat island for snorkelling just a bit further up the coast. auckland has a great waterfront and an amazing selection of food courts and markets, depending on what you like. museums i wouldn't waste my time with in most on nz, even though there are a few quaint ones.

sorry, could go on for hours. have a great trip! and ask away if you have any more questions :-)
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Old Melbourne Goal: http://www.oldmelbournegaol.com.au/

Visit the penguins: http://www.penguins.org.au/

Weekend/day trekking in the Blue Mountains.

Tasmania:
- Port Arthur http://portarthur.org.au/
- Cradle Mountain http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/index.aspx?base=3297
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Make sure you get up and walk about regularly during the flight and if possible try to remember not to cross your legs during the flight. You may consider wearing compression socks too as an extra precaution against getting a DVT.

Load loads of books onto a kindle to read during the flight in case you can't sleep and/or the films are not to your taste. Pack a decent pair of earplugs that you know are comfortable and cut out noise effectively if you intend to get any sleep at all.

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Well ,can't say much about emirates, the plane will be a 777 to dubai and an A 380 from dubai to sydney .But the space in economy is limited.
Even in an A 380 , there is not much space in the cheapest class.
The airport is huge and depending on your connection time (from 2 to 10 hours), you need an hotel if you are connecting to the flight 10 hours later.

If you are not used to sleep on the plane, it can be a nightmare.
Buy eyeshades and earplugs(don't know if emirates provide them).
That's tough. Emirates 777 has 10 seats across and Singapore air has 9 seats across.

I load up my ipad with TV series (much better for long flights than movies, eg., a whole season of 24...) and bring along a noise cancelling headset.
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Places I really enjoyed while in Australia:
-Cape Tribulation (rainforest and great barrier reef. There is a Daintree Entomological Museum which I did not go to)
-Whitsundays
-Fraser Island (walk with the dingoes)
-The aquarium in Sydney
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Re: Long haul flights and Australia

What skinner1979 said.

Add Taronga Zoo while you're in Sydney (it's apparently one of the greats - I haven't been to others), and if you can possibly squeeze them in, Uluru / Kings Canyon and Kakadu (all in the Northern Territory, nowhere near each other, or any of the other things mentioned but absolutely breathtaking in their different ways).

The vast emptiness is one of the things that most impresses visitors, so try to include some of the interior. Renting a car to do at least one long (1000km) drive over a day or few to get from (say) Kakadu to Uluru - or the Whitsundays to Cape Tribulation (not interior but still good) is pretty mind-blowing. If you really can't, make sure you have a daylight window seat for the flight in (or at least one of the flights you do).

The cities, in particular, have good museums, galleries, cultural stuff (things like off-the-wall plays) and shopping, but if I were headed there from Europe, I think I'd focus on the rest, and dip into this kind of thing only when you need your fix.

Flights: aside from what everyone else said, watch out for dryness which on long haul can irritate your nose, eyes and skin enough to stop you sleeping. Nasal spray, eye drops and lots of unscented moisturiser (before you leave, as well as on the plane) are my tips, for what they're worth.

For a long journey I also like a book about (or set in) the place where I'm headed. Non-fiction is good if it's a bit challenging and puts you to sleep. PM for suggestions if interested. But there's also plenty of fantastic Australian and NZ fiction about too. Even, at a pinch, some very dry Antipodean comedy series on the plane. Have you heard of Flight of the Conchords? or Librarians? Wilfred?
Thought not ;-)
They're worth a look.

I've made myself homesick writing all that...

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To be honest, although they were perfectly pleasant, I found the cities in Australia not that interesting to justify making a journey to the other side of the world.
The outback is what makes a trip to Australia worthwhile.

Camping out next to the road in the middle of the Nullarbor Plain gives you some idea of the vastness of the place.

One of the most memorable things about Australia for me was seeing the stars and galaxies at night, especially the milky way.

The great Ocean road is worth a visit too.
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The Great Ocean Road is amazing - definately do that.

I'm from Sydney. Take the ferry to Manly and/or Watson's Bay. Walk from Coogee to Bondi Beach along the cliff-side walk. See the 3 sisters in Katoomba in the Blue Mountains. There's a hike back to the cliff-side train.
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Sydney is fine - be sure to check out the different areas as they do have quite a different feel. We preferred Melbourne as it was all rather easier to navigate and had an older feel to it. Do be prepared for the weather there though - January last year it was 18C one day and 40 the next - to say it is changeable is an understatement.

We found the Blue Mountains to be slightly disappointing (perhaps after Switzerland!).

Our favourite experience in all of Oz was when we flew up to Cairns and stayed in some self-catering apartments just north of Cairns itself. A proper tropical paradise and very relaxing except for when the power was cut off for 24 hours during a tropical cyclone. From there we had an excellent day trip to the Great Barrier Reef (Green island) viewable here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15B1jpZkuOc
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Hello guys and girls

So me and OH are going for a 'let's see if we can survive 4 weeks without killing each other' trip to Australia.
Him: Has travelled the world extensively for work
Me: Never been outside of Europe
Both of us: Non-drinkers, not party animals either, love good food (he dosnt eat fish)

So far we have booked return tickets to Sydney. Then the plan is to fly to Melbourne and drive the great ocean road for 3 days before returning there. After that there is no plan.

Thats were you guys come in. Any suggestions? We need to squeeze in a few days to New Zealand as well.

OH likes nature, im more of a city girl. He thinks all zoos are the same, i could very happily visit every zoo in the world. He hates museums, i like them a lot.

So any tips af must see places? Any weird museums? Think weird as the penis museum in Iceland.

Also any tips on surviving a 12+ hour flight in economy class is much appreciated. We are flying with emirates
I'm a Brisbane girl, but lived for many years in Sydney. In Sydney, I would concentrate on things around the harbour.
1. Catch the ferry from Circular Quay across to Taronga Zoo. Take the chairlift up to the top of the hill and then walk down. Take a picnic lunch and a water bottle rather than relying on the food there, which is poor quality and expensive.
2. Explore the area from The Rocks (oldest area) around under the Harbour Bridge, and then walk across to the Opera House and up through the Botanical Gardens.
3. Get into the restaurant food - but steer clear of the city, as it is expensive. Check out the Good Food Guide and Cheap Eats for recommendations.

I can't comment on Victoria, but the Ocean Road is a good start. Crayfish (lobsters) are famous as you get closer to the South Australian border.

If you are interested in surf beaches, I would avoid the Sydney ones. They are good beaches, but very crowded and the water is not as warm as it is further north. There are some wonderful ones a few hours north of Sydney - around Taree/Kempsey or further north around Byron Bay (although Byron itself is very crowded). Or fly to Brisbane and drive an hour and a half north to the Sunshine Coast (way better than the Gold Coast in my opinion). If you go to the Sunshine Coast, you could also visit Steve Irwin's Australia Zoo, which is worth a visit. The beaches in North Qld don't have surf, and in the summer months you can't swim off the coast because of the marine stingers - you need to travel out to the islands.

Emirates is a good airline, with a good entertainment system and food. If your stopover in Dubai is longer than 6 hours (I think - check!), you can request to be taken to one of their hotels for a nap and meal. It is worth doing.

As for museums etc, my advice would be to keep your eyes peeled when you are driving around and be prepared to stop on a whim. There are many strange and wonderful things around!
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