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Re: What's a watch worth?

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Despite whatever else you may know, IWC are not in the top bracket and you know it, they are well in the second tier though along with a few i mentioned and a few i didn't.

The top bracket are the 5 that I mentioned as considered by investors and collectors. I am sure if you have an IWC or a J.L-C you would consider them top drawer, unfortunately they are not !
In the watch world, there is an expression "Holly Trinity" which consists of AP, PP and VC Anything else, well, it's good, but not as good

As for the watch in question, if it's time only etc it will be worth the scrap value of gold, not more.
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In the watch world, there is an expression "Holly Trinity" which consists of AP, PP and VC Anything else, well, it's good, but not as good

As for the watch in question, if it's time only etc it will be worth the scrap value of gold, not more.
In my opinion Breguet are above AP in the pecking order, AP have too many variations of one watch, the Royal Oak, they also started the tend for a manufactuerer to provide several hundered pieces for banks as gifts to their employees (BCV & Lombard Odier???). Then there are the "limited edition" peices in guise of Alinghi, Michael Schumacher to name but two. There is very little difference between these peices and other "non-limited editions"

The Royal Oak was originally marketed as a limited edition back in 70's with a run of i believe 1500 pieces........and it's strill running !

Breguet certainly were top drawer before they were purchased by Swatch, as was Blancpain, the reputaiton has been somewhat tarnished by this association, but they are still above AP in collectors eyes, if just for the complications they have.
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Breguet certainly were top drawer before they were purchased by Swatch, as was Blancpain, the reputaiton has been somewhat tarnished by this association, but they are still above AP in collectors eyes, if just for the complications they have.
They spent 4 years recreating the Marie-Antonette pocket watch no 1160. It's still considered the 5th most complicated watch in the world originally taking 44 years to produce. I even got to hold it !

http://www.breguet.com/en/house-breg...e-pocket-watch
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Old 30.09.2015, 11:25
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In my opinion Breguet are above AP in the pecking order, AP have too many variations of one watch, the Royal Oak, they also started the tend for a manufactuerer to provide several hundered pieces for banks as gifts to their employees (BCV & Lombard Odier???). Then there are the "limited edition" peices in guise of Alinghi, Michael Schumacher to name but two. There is very little difference between these peices and other "non-limited editions"

The Royal Oak was originally marketed as a limited edition back in 70's with a run of i believe 1500 pieces........and it's strill running !

Breguet certainly were top drawer before they were purchased by Swatch, as was Blancpain, the reputaiton has been somewhat tarnished by this association, but they are still above AP in collectors eyes, if just for the complications they have.
It's still running because a lot of people in the "jet-set" want a sporty watch that is more expensive than the Rolex Daytona. This target group loves weird color schemes and limited editions, so you come up with them...

Can you really blame them to take on this customer segment? "Rich but slightly stupid" is the dream segment of every marketer...
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Re: What's a watch worth?

Well yes, top notch is relative- was talking about mere mortals here and we of course all have our favourites for good or bad reasons. Many young aspirational people I know in the UK don't really know the difference between a bling-bling fancy watch with a famous label, which is 'just' a commercial movement dropped in a posh case- and a good quality watch. Even Rolex are made on a very industrial process nowadays.

Born and bred in Watch Valley, I have personal favourites for personal reasons, Nardin because some members of the family were very close friends, and I love the Musée des Monts, in Le Locle- which was the family home (wonderful place- do go!)... and Jaeger Lecoultre as my dad worked for Favre-Leuba it's little sister.

The Marie-Antoinette reproduction is however in a league of its own- and worth about 10 million and possibly a lot more - Breguet have no intention of selling it anyhow- and it is but a mere reproduction of the original. Made by Breguet on a commission from Marie-Antoinette's Swedish prince lover. Possible the most complicated, beautiful and expensive watch ever- stolen from the Jerusalem museum where it was kept- in 1983- and never found again. Anyone who is interested in the history of watch-making, and Breguet in particularl, should read John Biggs recent book 'The Marie-Antoinette' - about the history of Breguet and that famous watch- and watch making in general. I got it on kindle, but intend to buy a paper copy when in the UK next. Absolutely mesmerising story. And for me, close to my heart as Breguet comes from my area, and did his watch-making apprenticeship in a farm 200m from us here, in 1761- before his departure for Paris and his rise on the Quai des Horlogers on the Ile de la Cité. If the original is ever found, it would be worth 40 million or perhaps more ... will it ever???

Some of the best makes nowadays in my area are Cartier, Chopard, Bovet- and Parmigiani- the son of an Italian immigrant, born same year as me here- on was the first to have the guts to find money to invest in the renewal of the quality watch industry here in Val-de-Travers- after the debacle caused by the arrival of cheap didgital Japanese watches. His name is Parmigiani- and his watches very much at the top of the game now. Two others are Finnish and British- Voutilainen in Môtiers, who makes a few watches a year, alol by hand, with a small team in his 1900 master's house, and Greubel-Forsey in Le Locle, again with a very small production and team.

As we say in French 'tout est relatif' - top notch means different things for different people. But anyone who has held the Marie-Antoinette, even if a mere copy, is very lucky indeed. Do buy the book.

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Even Rolex are made on a very industrial process nowadays.

The Marie-Antoinette reproduction is however in a league of its own- and worth about 10 million and possibly a lot more - Breguet have no intention of selling it anyhow- and it is but a mere reproduction of the original. Made by Breguet on a commission from Marie-Antoinette's Swedish prince lover. Possible the most complicated, beautiful and expensive watch ever- stolen from the Jerusalem museum where it was kept- in 1983- and never found again. Anyone who is interested in the history of watch-making, and Breguet in particularl, should read John Biggs recent book 'The Marie-Antoinette' - about the history of Breguet and that famous watch- and watch making in general. I got it on kindle, but intend to buy a paper copy when in the UK next. Absolutely mesmerising story. And for me, close to my heart as Breguet comes from my area, and did his watch-making apprenticeship in a farm 200m from us here, in 1761- before his departure for Paris and his rise on the Quai des Horlogers on the Ile de la Cité. If the original is ever found, it would be worth 40 million or perhaps more ... will it ever???
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Especially Rolex, they make over 1,000,000 watches a year, mass production rather than hand finished or hand made.

I don't think the late Nicolas Hayek ever stated they would never make a limited edition of the Marie Antoinette watch. I was at Basel World in 2009, I was 'playing' with the watch the night before surrounded by security guards I show up in the video a several times! I was told it was worth 6 Million at the time.
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Re: What's a watch worth?

Visited a family friend who was in charge of Marekting for Baume et Mercier/Piaget (another local firm to us and forgotten in my earlier list) in the 70s at his Hôtel in London where he was presenting a new collection. Our papers where checked and we were escorted to his suite by 2 armed security officers and he had to personally 'approve' us. He took us for dinner at a posh Mayfair restaurant, called the Tiddy Dolls (or something like that) where the bill was more than OH's salary for the month... in 71.

BTW I think Hayek/Breguet bought Swatch, not the other way round. Swatch was also a major player in the revival of the Swiss watch industry after the 70s debacle re Japanese digital watches- and Hayek wanted to represent the full range - from 10CHF to 10 and more mio. Good for him.
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