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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

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Happened to buy this today at Migros:

https://produits.migros.ch/perceuse-a-percussion-600-w

Good price and, 3 holes later, will serve my home DIY needs. Comes with 3 x bits.
Not SDS? That's a key decision point - if you need to drill into hard concrete a non-SDS one just will not cut the mustard. I spent hours trying to drill solid-enough mounting holes at our French house with traditional hammer drills and I mean hours, plus new bits, before finding this out.
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Old 16.10.2015, 10:14
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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

I would need all below functions in one, same time cheap and best.
Inserting screws only = Cordless screwdriver
Wood drilling/inserting screws = Cordless battery drill with torque control
Cement/metal/wood = Hammer action drill - battery or mains

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I would start with looking at what you are using the tool for and then spec what you buy based on your needs.


Inserting screws only = Cordless screwdriver
Wood drilling/inserting screws = Cordless battery drill with torque control
Cement/metal/wood = Hammer action drill - battery or mains
Concrete/rock etc = Rotary hammer with SDS


Once off use not likely to be used again = don't spend too much
Regular use or likely to be used numerous times = buy the best you can
Buying cheap is buying expensive because you will replace it again and again.


Don't forget to use the right drill bit/insert for the right application or you will spend a lot of time and money going nowhere.
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Not SDS? That's a key decision point - if you need to drill into hard concrete a non-SDS one just will not cut the mustard. I spent hours trying to drill solid-enough mounting holes at our French house with traditional hammer drills and I mean hours, plus new bits, before finding this out.
Agree

Even a mains hammer drill will struggle on hard concrete that SDS will go through like a knife. It is worth remembering in such situations that you can never have enough "man toys".
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I would need all below functions in one, same time cheap and best.
Inserting screws only = Cordless screwdriver
Wood drilling/inserting screws = Cordless battery drill with torque control
Cement/metal/wood = Hammer action drill - battery or mains
http://www.amazon.de/Bosch-Akku-Bohr...kku+bohrhammer
keep in mind that the battery and charger are not included with this one.

Still, I'd reconsider if this is really what you need.
For driving screws all over the house, including tight places, a smaller device is much more handy.
For drilling concrete, a mains powered rotary hammer will do the job easier as it's usually more powerful.

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Old 16.10.2015, 10:27
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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

Looks like a pretty good deal for a professional, battery-powered, heavyweight, SDS machine.

But I'd still suggest for the OP that it's waaay more than he needs, and that the 70 franc one will do just as well for his requirements.
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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

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http://www.amazon.de/Bosch-Akku-Bohr...kku+bohrhammer
keep in mind that the battery and charger are not included with this one.

Still, I'd reconsider if this is really what you need.
For drilling screws all over the house, including tight places, a smaller device is much more handy.
For drilling concrete, a mains powered rotary hammer will do the job easier as it's usually more powerful.


Based on the specs this will be ideal for all applications - an excellent recommendation. The price for the complete package is well worth every cent.
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Based on the specs this will be ideal for all applications - an excellent recommendation. The price for the complete package is well worth every cent.
And you can even go and buy it in a shop for pretty much the same amount

http://shop.rhyner.ch/shop/?productID=3219

(It might also be worth noting that neither Amazon or Ryhner one comes with the 4AH battery or charger)
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Looks like a pretty good deal for a professional, battery-powered, heavyweight, SDS machine.

But I'd still suggest for the OP that it's waaay more than he needs, and that the 70 franc one will do just as well for his requirements.


Problem with the 70CHF option is that it has no clutch control for inserting and removing screws, too easy to strip the screw heads and then the fun will start.
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I would need all below functions in one, same time cheap and best.
Inserting screws only = Cordless screwdriver
Wood drilling/inserting screws = Cordless battery drill with torque control
Cement/metal/wood = Hammer action drill - battery or mains


You did not list concrete drilling, only cement which does not generally have the hardness or strength of concrete. In this case you would be ok using just a normal drill with hammer action and with clutch control for screws.


SDS Rotary hammer would be overkill in this case. but still go for the best quality tool you can afford as the working components are more reliable.
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You did not list concrete drilling, only cement which does not generally have the hardness or strength of concrete. In this case you would be ok using just a normal drill with hammer action and with clutch control for screws.

SDS Rotary hammer would be overkill in this case. but still go for the best quality tool you can afford as the working components are more reliable.
Then this may be a better option
http://www.amazon.de/Bosch-Professio...gbohrschrauber

And I'd still recommend a mains powered SDS hammer for hard materials, even if it's the one from Aldi.
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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

Years ago I got an 18v battery powered drill with hammer action, variable speed etc that came with a case and two good sized batteries and a charger for like 50 from B&Q (the DIY store). I've had it like 15 years and I've used it very much. I used to reach for the old corded electric hammer drill for some tasks but now I just get the SDS out. My cordless drill is showing some wear in the bearings now and it doesn't hold a charge for very long but it has been brilliant. I'd replace it with something the same if I could find one. Many cheap drills out there now don't have hammer action and many also have quite low capacity batteries. There's a lot of poor quality stuff out there but you don't always have to spend loads to get a perfectly decent drill. I think my SDS was also only 50 quid from Wickes or Screwfix or something and it's been fine. Actually I think it came with a Sparky small gun-shaped screwdriver which has been way better than I thought.

For home use in Switzerland I'd recommend a smallish cordless drill/driver that you can use to put together all the Ikea stuff you've bought and a cheap SDS and the latter only if you don't know someone who already has one. You'll use it for like one day then put it away.
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Problem with the 70CHF option is that it has no clutch control for inserting and removing screws, too easy to strip the screw heads and then the fun will start.
If it's an SDS, there's no way you'd want to use it for screws clutch or not, they're simply too heavy because of the very solid hammer mechanism and general build quality. They have to be, or they'd shake themselves to bits.
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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

Some added info:
1.) unless you want a "just for the job at hand, what is minimum I have to spend?" type of tool, go for the DIY quality of a major brand (Bosch green, B&D, etc.) The premium isn't much over no-names, you get 65- 75% of a professional tool due to common items like chucks, windings, switches, etc, and the ergonomics and quality of plastics are much better.

2.) there are drills (rotary action to turn screws), impact drills (rotary plus horizontal "tap" on drilling axis) and hammer drills (rotary plus repeating hammer impacts on drilling axis.) You can't expect an impact drill (e.g. often with regular chuck) to be anywhere near as effective in masonry as a hammer drill (e.g. usually with SDS chuck), and an impact drill is almost useless in concrete. If you are going to drill in concrete, you need "Schlaghammer." Don't get anything more than 2kg unless you are going to use professionally.

3.) SDS stands for "Stecken, Drehen, Sitzt" because it's so fast/easy to get good mechanical connection between power source and hammer bit just by inserting and turning. Most hammer/SDS machines can be used as screwdrivers. You just need an adaptor (either a keyless chuck mounted on a SDS shaft end) or insert (SDS shaft end with a bitholder on end) - both available at larger DIY or hardware stores. Be sure to turn the power switch to just rotary power (no hammer function) when driving screws.

4.) Historically mains powered units performed much better than battery units, but differences are narrowing now. If you want lowest price, go mains. If you want maximum convenience, go battery. Battery prices range widely, usually what you are paying for is charging speed (i.e. low priced may take 6 hours to recharge, high priced only 15 minutes.) In any case, you need to plan on replacing batteries every 2-3 years even if you don't use it much.

5. Really suggest you get a case with/for the tool. You won't believe how much it helps to have all accessories in one place, you'll save in lost bits, and most cases take very little storage space versus keeping everything separately.
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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

Full Disclosure.

I bought that crappy IKEA cordless drill which they have right before check out.
You know the one:




And you know what? It works fine for 90% of what I need to do here.


I mean, I'm not building furniture or anything like.... Oh wait - technically I was!





Seriously - unless your driving in HILTI bolts to reframe your basement or building a nice deck with wood screws, go simple.
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If it's an SDS, there's no way you'd want to use it for screws clutch or not, they're simply too heavy because of the very solid hammer mechanism and general build quality. They have to be, or they'd shake themselves to bits.
I think I already disagreed up there^^ but I'll do so again. For anything from shelf fitting upwards, where largish screws and rawlplugs are used, or indeed screwing together thick planks or beams, there's nothing better than one of these. With the hammer function turned off, of course. The weight really helps, and the size allows you to get your own weight behind it much better than a tiddly little screwdriver.

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Really suggest you get a case with/for the tool. You won't believe how much it helps to have all accessories in one place, you'll save in lost bits, and most cases take very little storage space versus keeping everything separately.
Was just thinking the same, as I popped down to the garage and closed up mine that I used a couple of days ago, together with the various SDS chisel and drill bits as well as a variety of other accessories. Really useful when you know it's all in one place together.
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