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Good home use bore and drilling machine

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Any suggestions for a good home use bore and drilling machine.
To fix screws , bore holes, etc

Found one in aldi:
https://www.aldi-suisse.ch/de/angebo...isselhammer-1/
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Hi ,

Any suggestions for a good home use bore and drilling machine.
To fix screws , bore holes, etc

Found one in aldi:
https://www.aldi-suisse.ch/de/angebo...isselhammer-1/
This one is much better. Alternatively a battery one will give you more flexibility
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Old 14.10.2015, 14:45
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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

These are more environmentally friendly and are what real men use: http://oldtoolheaven.com/hand_drills/drill3.htm
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These are more environmentally friendly and are what real men use: http://oldtoolheaven.com/hand_drills/drill3.htm
For detailed woodwork/cabinetry a hand drill is still the tool of choice.
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Hi ,

Any suggestions for a good home use bore and drilling machine.
To fix screws , bore holes, etc

Found one in aldi:
https://www.aldi-suisse.ch/de/angebo...isselhammer-1/
Looks like an SDS drill which is what you might need to drill into the super-reinforced Swiss ceilings and some extra hard walls. I used something like this with a chisel attachment to knock down a 3 storey chimney in a house. These are usually hardcore machines for hardcore jobs and no good for putting small holes in wood, or for driving in screws but that's probably not what you mean.

Thanks for the advert - I might get one.
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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

I have a Bosch cordless battery one and it's come in very handy over the last 6 years.
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Looks like an SDS drill which is what you might need to drill into the super-reinforced Swiss ceilings and some extra hard walls. I used something like this with a chisel attachment to knock down a 3 storey chimney in a house. These are usually hardcore machines for hardcore jobs and no good for putting small holes in wood, or for driving in screws but that's probably not what you mean.
Actually I disagree about your last part. I have Bosch one I bought about 12 years ago to tackle French builders' concrete and found it very easy to use as a screwdriver, thanks to its variable-speed trigger control.

Sure, it's not as light and precise as a purpose-made electric screwdriver, but for tough jobs like thick rawlplug fittings it's much better due to the extra power.
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Hi ,

Any suggestions for a good home use bore and drilling machine.
To fix screws , bore holes, etc

Found one in aldi:
https://www.aldi-suisse.ch/de/angebo...isselhammer-1/
For occasional use, 70 chufs will buy you a reasonable product as per the Aldi link.
However, it's probably not best suited to 'fixing screws'.

Unless, you're going to be using it every day for the next two years, or haemorrhaging banknotes from all orifices, the following recommendations may be slightly OTT.

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This one is much better. Alternatively a battery one will give you more flexibility
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Actually I disagree about your last part. I have Bosch one I bought about 12 years ago to tackle French builders' concrete and found it very easy to use as a screwdriver, thanks to its variable-speed trigger control.

Sure, it's not as light and precise as a purpose-made electric screwdriver, but for tough jobs like thick rawlplug fittings it's much better due to the extra power.
Horses for courses - I have a pair of Metabo 18v drills which are excellent all-rounders - they excelled when we did the fence - needing very little charging**. I have a Wickes own-brand SDS drill from about 15 years ago (makes me sound like my dad) which does the big concrete stuff. It is too unwieldy to be used on a daily basis.

Not all drills are born equal, the premium brands (Metabo, Bosch Professional, Makita, DeWalt, Milwaukee) will have considerably better quality clutches and motors in them - and will take a battering on the limits of their torque settings. Cheaper ones (despite good guarantees) will burn out motors far too easily. It took me a long time to buy quality but I don't regret doing so now with tools.

It is also worth remembering that not all drill bits are born equal - and to accept that they will wear (especially stone ones) and should be thrown out and replaced. (Something my grandfather never did).

**Rhyner have good deals on 4AH batteries at the moment so I may get a pair.
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This one is much better. Alternatively a battery one will give you more flexibility
You obviously have no clue about drills.
The real men-stuff always has a diesel engine
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Hi ,

Any suggestions for a good home use bore and drilling machine.
To fix screws , bore holes, etc

Found one in aldi:
https://www.aldi-suisse.ch/de/angebo...isselhammer-1/
It's a very powerful and heavy machine. Unnecessarily so for home use. The quality is a big question mark. May be good and work for ages, or may die on you suddenly. You never know with these discount machines.

Get something in the up to 3kg range. It may be less powerful and take a bit longer to do the job, but will be more practical.
For example:
https://www.alternate.ch/Makita/Bohr...4?event=search

To fix screws and drill in soft materials, get a separate cordless driver, something like this:
https://www.alternate.ch/Bosch/Akkus...1?event=search
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For detailed woodwork/cabinetry a hand drill is still the tool of choice.
Not to mention useable on a Sunday, a key point for Switzerland-based DIY aficionados.
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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

Good machines are makita/bosch or hilti.

You get what you pay , same as cars, travel .

A(good) drill for 70 sfr ?? No way
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Good machines are makita/bosch or hilti.

You get what you pay , same as cars, travel .

A(good) drill for 70 sfr ?? No way
There's such a thing as "good enough". As with lots of things, it's quite often the case that the more expensive stuff is designed to cope with constant use and abuse, for example looking at the consumer vs professional ranges by Bosch - yes, I can see why the blue (pro) ones are more expensive than the green; no, there's no point whatsoever me buying the blue stuff for occasional home use, even though that has included chiselling out half a ton of solid poured concrete at one point.

These cheap ones should function just as well as the more expensive kind, and for drilling holes in house walls will be perfectly adequate.

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It is also worth remembering that not all drill bits are born equal - and to accept that they will wear (especially stone ones) and should be thrown out and replaced.
You see where you're going wrong yet? For long-lasting use I've found it far better to go for drill bits made out of metal.
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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

I got an SDS drill from Aldi (or Lidl? whatever) - it's bloody great compared to the good quality but non-SDS Bosch one I also have, goes through concrete like butter in comparison.

It's not going to get used more than twenty times a year, for which the 70 CHF is about the right price.
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I got an SDS drill from Aldi (or Lidl? whatever) - it's bloody great compared to the good quality but non-SDS Bosch one I also have, goes through concrete like butter in comparison.

It's not going to get used more than twenty times a year, for which the 70 CHF is about the right price.
Is this a cordless drill or plug in one?

Ive had two cordless ones that were great when working especially for the flexibility of use, but they just died after less than two years.

I bought a Bosch hammer drill a couple of years ago on special from Coop Bau und Hobby and it really is good for the concrete, tough jobs that occasionaly occur and I have no reason to believe it will die like the others, but it only has a short cord and doesn't allow me the same spontaneous usage like a cordless one.
Maybe I'm not treating my cordless drills very well.
I have always had them down in the cellar docked up and charging, so for those little things it should be ready to go. Is that wrong?

Add on, what does SDS mean actually?
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Add on, what does SDS mean actually?
http://www.technologystudent.com/pwtol/drill4.htm (courtesy of Google)
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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

Happened to buy this today at Migros:

https://produits.migros.ch/perceuse-a-percussion-600-w

Good price and, 3 holes later, will serve my home DIY needs. Comes with 3 x bits.
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Re: Good home use bore and drilling machine

I would start with looking at what you are using the tool for and then spec what you buy based on your needs.


Inserting screws only = Cordless screwdriver
Wood drilling/inserting screws = Cordless battery drill with torque control
Cement/metal/wood = Hammer action drill - battery or mains
Concrete/rock etc = Rotary hammer with SDS


Once off use not likely to be used again = don't spend too much
Regular use or likely to be used numerous times = buy the best you can
Buying cheap is buying expensive because you will replace it again and again.


Don't forget to use the right drill bit/insert for the right application or you will spend a lot of time and money going nowhere.
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Actually I disagree about your last part. I have Bosch one I bought about 12 years ago to tackle French builders' concrete and found it very easy to use as a screwdriver, thanks to its variable-speed trigger control.

Sure, it's not as light and precise as a purpose-made electric screwdriver, but for tough jobs like thick rawlplug fittings it's much better due to the extra power.
I agree. Power is what you need. I have a big bosch hammer drill with variable speed control. I have also removed some very stubborn screws and bolts with it. Fast too. As for the hammer drill setting compared to battery drills. No contest. Proper hammer drills are on another level. Although I believe that you can buy professional hammer drills that are battery powered. Have Lots of cash for this drill? Not realy an option for us. With spare batteries etc the cost is not viable.

Lastly you need this. A bosch metal/electical detector. Otherwise it is just a matter of time untill you drill through a electrical wire or a water pipe. Unless of course you know 100% what is inside the wall and where.
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