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Hello everyone,

I realize this topic has been discussed, but I want to ask something more specific. Does anyone have any experience with this Bosch SDS Plus (or something similar)?

http://www.conrad.ch/ce/de/product/8...r#BVRRWidgetID

We want to be able to hang shelves, drill into metal and wood posts...household use kind of thing. I want to be sure we get something powerful enough.

Thank you in advance for your time!

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Hello everyone,

I realize this topic has been discussed, but I want to ask something more specific. Does anyone have any experience with this Bosch SDS Plus (or something similar)?

http://www.conrad.ch/ce/de/product/8...r#BVRRWidgetID

We want to be able to hang shelves, drill into metal and wood posts...household use kind of thing. I want to be sure we get something powerful enough.
I have this

http://www.conrad.ch/ce/de/product/6...offer?ref=list

(battery-powered SDS quick)

Is powerful for most general use, the convenience of the battery is great. Max diameter it will drill in concrete is 10mm, max length about 10cm. It only drills (so no chisel action).

I have a corded SDS drill for heavier work (cheapish French brand, has lasted about 8 years and has had a lot of use, core drilling concrete up to 110mm diameter ). I guess what you have there will be fine for most tasks.
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Old 24.03.2016, 14:37
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Re: Hammer Drills revisted

IMHO I wouldn't buy SDS for your needs - the bits are more expensive to start with.

A corded hammer action drill is likely to be the best for drilling - and you can pick up a Bosch blue for 170chf.

You can then buy some high quality drill bits and you'll be set.
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You can then buy some high quality drill bits and you'll be set.
Definitely buy the quality drill bits. The brass coloured ones are excellent and only cost 20-30 CHF for a set.
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Re: Hammer Drills revisted

Thank you all so much for responding so quickly. This is exactly the feedback I was looking for.

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IMHO I wouldn't buy SDS for your needs
I concurr.

The only time an SDS would be nice is when I have to drill into hard concrete or rock, not something I do often. And I recently discovered that my wife has one (while cleaning out the garages )

For stuff around the house, a normal hammer drill works just fine.

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I concurr.

The only time an SDS would be nice is when I have to drill into hard concrete or rock, not something I do often. And I recently discovered that my wife has one (while cleaning out the garages )

For stuff around the house, a normal hammer drill works just fine.

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Agree.

I have 3 types of drill:
- Professional quality 18v - 2 the same - which despite relatively compact battery capacity are capably of some seriously impressive use. Solid (if unspectacular) torque and a very good clutch. They have delivered excellent all round performance. Their own downside is no (battery sucking) hammer action
- Home quality corded hammer drill - for drilling into concrete walls for rawplugs
- Wickes SDS drill - bought around 15 years ago. Gets pulled out now and then when the requirement is to sink through a lot of stone/concrete - or split rocks (chisel action). SDS (IMHO) are great for such things - but rubbish for drilling wood.

On a budget and for occasional use I'd always recommend a corded hammer drill as it will do everything to a good level.
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I concurr.

The only time an SDS would be nice is when I have to drill into hard concrete or rock, not something I do often. And I recently discovered that my wife has one (while cleaning out the garages )

For stuff around the house, a normal hammer drill works just fine.

Tom


I have both corded and uncorded and SDS/plain in pretty much every combination.


For general picture, shelf hanging I now only use a really cheap cordless SDS from the Jumbo (their house brand) - it was only something like 50 CHF. I bought it because I needed to drill some holes in concrete and there was no power nearby. I didn't think it would last, but it has now after about 6 years kitted out 3 different apartments and is still my favorite concrete drill for holes less than 8mm diameter.


I have a plain cordless drill with a chuck (i.e. not SDS) which I use for wood and metal, so the cordless hammerdrill is only ever used for concrete. Although there is a price premium, SDS is superior to a chuck: the dust will quickly ruin the chuck internally AND I've never had a really crappy SDS drillbit, though the plain shank concrete ones are often made of a special Aluminum, Snot and Cat hair alloy which isn't even strong enough to stir water, let alone drill concrete.
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Re: Hammer Drills revisted

I have this Bosch beast! It's OK; for us renovating a house it was useful. Drilling 25mm holes through 30cm of concrete was the requirement, which it managed OK. Also can be used with rotary stop, ideal for digging out concrete fence foundations (as you do). After all that, it's probably not in the best shape now, leaks a bit of oil. With hindsight, I would have shelled out a bit more cash.

I do also have the Bosch Uneo Maxx - surprisingly powerful beast, but takes the micro SDS bits, which are not available in such a wide range of lengths, and not available in every shop. I am quite happy with it.

For the odd drilling job around the house, a 50CHF in-house brand is likely sufficient. If it's brick your drilling through, then a normal hammer drill is OK, but for concrete, SDS is far better (i.e. quicker). Mind you, with brick, it's easy to keep the pressure on the drill, and then it suddenly breaks into one of the air pockets inside the brick...
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I concurr.

And I recently discovered that my wife has one (while cleaning out the garages )
Your wife sounds awesome! This hammer drill is for me and not my husband.

I have to admit that I liked the idea of being able to drill into concrete, but have no real need to do it. I do want to be able to drill into the exterior of the house, (outside on the porch kind of thing).

It sounds like my best bet is the Bosch blue mentioned above. It looks like something I can handle.

Thank you all again for the Lessons in the Art of Manliness: Power Tools Module I. It was sincerely fantastic! I was afraid no one would answer. I know time is valuable and I really appreciate you giving yours.

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Re: Hammer Drills revisted

I have a selection of drills at two addresses, so some overlap, including 30-y-o B&D ones, cordless and now two SDS ones. The later one is a Hornbach own brand, specifically bought just a couple of months ago for drilling deep (~10cm) holes into concrete to mount a loft-hatch railing. Much more raw power than my older Bosch one, and nicely balanced - did the job in seconds, definitely recommend it, and at the price is a real bargain


My choice for a given job will depend on several things, but the key point is how hard is the concrete. Shelving etc. will need reasonably deep holes to be secure, and my experience of Swiss and French construction is that a non-SDS drill just will not do the job.

So my suggestion would be to borrow a non-SDS drill from someone and try drilling a >5cm test hole or two. If successful then a standard cheap corded or cordless drill would be fine, but if it's a difficult or impossible then you'll know when you get an SDS one just how much better it is.

EDIT: Don't go spending more than a hundred chuffs, preferably less. For your requirements a decent cheap one will do perfectly well, and should last for years. Professional tools are for professionals, to be used day in and day out, and are simply not necessary for occasional household use.
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Re: Hammer Drills revisted

I forgot to mention earlier but it is Rhyner's Oktoberfest this weekend - with an extra 10% off everything.

I picked up a Metabo 18LTX with 2*4A batteries for almost half price - if I could all the free stuff I got on top then it was half price.

About as much of a cordless drill you'd ever need - and totally over the top for DIY work - but boys need their toys!
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