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This study raises some serious concerns, it's based on official cancer data. Granted, coincidence doesn't necessarily mean correlation, but with the amount of antenna and number of deaths the statistical significance looks rather strong,
That's not what Statistical Significance means.

As you say, correlation does not imply causation, and just because there's a large amount of data does not make it any more or less so. There's no attempt been made to apply statistical tests to the data presented, so its Statistical Significance is unknown.

And I think it's fair to suggest that this paper is hardly unbiased, starting out with
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Pollution caused by the electromagnetic fields (EMFs) of radio frequencies (RF) generated by the telecommunication system is one of the greatest environmental problems of the twentieth century.
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Old 24.05.2016, 10:32
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I actually found a critique of the study you just quoted mentioning that it is alarmist and has many flaws. Here.
Hah. I just read it through and reached the same conclusion.
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That would be some quick growing trees
That's the Mobile tower????






Really?
I'd be more worried about that ugly brown building than the "tower"!

If so, really it's a big fuss for something very little... it's hardly noticeable!

Mind you, they could have put it somewhere else...

(Unless it's like a sign to indicate they will build Mordor's tower there later on?)
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Old 24.05.2016, 10:44
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That's the Mobile tower????






Really?
I'd be more worried about that ugly brown building than the "tower"!

If so, really it's a big fuss for something very little... it's hardly noticeable!

Mind you, they could have put it somewhere else...

(Unless it's like a sign to indicate they will build Mordor's tower there later on?)
No, that's not the tower. That's a planning pole. They put those things up in Switzerland to demonstrate the neighbours how high a planned building will be...
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No, that's not the tower. That's a planning pole. They put those things up in Switzerland to demonstrate the neighbours how high a planned building will be...
Ha yes I've seen these before then. It's with the red bit on the top to indicate the total height of the future construction.

I was not sure it did look like a "mobile tower" (as in mobility).

Anyone has a picture of what it looks like in general? (I googled but most results are the massive tower with about 100's satellites on it).

It does look way to close to the garden and the trampoline, and it does looks a very weird location to build that there...

Hmmm...
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Re: Help, mobile tower planned 10 meters from my house

You need to be far more concerned about your own mobile handset than about any antenna tower. You have your mobile phone within a couple of centimetres from your body, for most people 24 hours a day. That's giving you a far higher exposure of rf energy than any antenna tower will give you.
If you have a concern, the first thing to do is get rid of your mobile phone, not the antenna.
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Old 24.05.2016, 11:06
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Anyone has a picture of what it looks like in general?
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Old 24.05.2016, 11:13
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WHO has classified electromagnetic emissions by mobile antenna as "possibly carcinogetic"
According to my googling the WHO don't but the International Agency for Research on Cancer do.

The WHO do say:

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A large number of studies have been performed over the last two decades to assess whether mobile phones pose a potential health risk. To date, no adverse health effects have been established as being caused by mobile phone use
The IARC listing is based on "some indications of an increased risk of glioma for those who reported the highest 10% of cumulative hours of cell phone use, although there was no consistent trend of increasing risk with greater duration of use. The researchers concluded that biases and errors limit the strength of these conclusions and prevent a causal interpretation."

There's a full study coming this year. Note the issue is with mobile phone use and not masts.
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Old 24.05.2016, 11:16
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You need to be far more concerned about your own mobile handset than about any antenna tower. You have your mobile phone within a couple of centimetres from your body, for most people 24 hours a day. That's giving you a far higher exposure of rf energy than any antenna tower will give you.
If you have a concern, the first thing to do is get rid of your mobile phone, not the antenna.
I always use my bluetooth headset with the handy. For reasons of comfort. Does that actually make a difference? (Not concerned, just wondering).
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Old 24.05.2016, 11:19
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I always use my bluetooth headset with the handy. For reasons of comfort. Does that actually make a difference? (Not concerned, just wondering).
Yes - bluetooth power is lower so there's less happening near your brain (but a little more happening elsewhere depending on where your phone is).
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Old 24.05.2016, 11:23
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A few months ago, quite unannounced, a building profile was erected next to a small warehouse adjacent to my house. To my dismay, Salt have planned to erect a mobile tower smack bang in the middle of a our quiet little area. Despite the unsuitability of its location, and fiece objection by at least half of the people that live in the village, the tower is set to go ahead.
We have contacted lawyers through our rechtschutz, there have been petitions signed by over 200 people (there are only 600 or so in the village), meetings with salt and the Gemeinde to no avail. The owner of the warehouse has also been contacted, but he actually is not interested in our concerns, he only sees the 300 or so franks a month he will get from Salt, and the rest of us who have to live near it can get f****d is his general attitude. Apart from the fact it being unsightly, there are possible health effects on our kids and a possible devauling of our and the neighbours property.
The meeting last friday evening at the Gemeinde still had about 70 people, a lot of them very angry, but still no results. The gemeinde seems to have made up their minds, against the wishes of the majority of the people in the village.
So my question to the good people of the forum, does anyone have experience in a similar situation.
Would it be worth having a class action against Salt ?
Is it possible to put forward something like a no confidence motion against the Gemeinde ?
Would it be possible to threaten to sue the owner of the warehouse with damages if he goes ahead with this thing ? (Multiple cases from all those near to the planned tower)
Any advice, tips or experiences would be most welcome.
Hey, look at it from the bright side...at least you'll have good reception.
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great idea but not very subtle in Switzerland.
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Old 24.05.2016, 11:28
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great idea but not very subtle in Switzerland.
I did not make this up when I said that a lot of antennas are hidden in church towers in Switzerland... I'd guess 70% of churches earn some extra cash this way...
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Old 24.05.2016, 11:41
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No, that's not the tower. That's a planning pole. They put those things up in Switzerland to demonstrate the neighbours how high a planned building will be...
This is the tower:
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Old 24.05.2016, 11:49
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Re: Help, mobile tower planned 10 meters from my house

maybe you can shoot it with a shotgun until they build a disguise around it.
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great idea but not very subtle in Switzerland.
It could work in Ticino.

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Excellent!
Problem sorted then.

OP, wait until they build that cactus, then complain it's blocking your view.

Eventually, move out then move in back, and complain that there's a kind of tree* blocking your view. You'll gain sympathy, support and results.

*it's ok, for a Swiss it's like a foreigner tree.
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Old 24.05.2016, 12:31
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Re: Help, mobile tower planned 10 meters from my house

I guess a cactus might indeed be too suspicious, but there are tons of other options to camouflage a mobile tower... how about a minaret?


Here are some design options: http://documents.mx/documents/catalo...amouflage.html
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I guess a cactus might indeed be too suspicious, but there are tons of other options to camouflage a mobile tower... how about a minaret?


Here are some design options: http://documents.mx/documents/catalo...amouflage.html
Not going to happen.
They tried back in 2009, 57.5% of the Swiss voters rejected the idea...

Which is why a cactus is not that bad! It's new, it's foreign, it's not local... great chances to have it removed
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Not going to happen.
They tried back in 2009, 57.5% of the Swiss voters rejected the idea...
Nope, that's not what the vote was about. It ONLY outlawed thin, tall and pointy religious buildings. A cell tower camouflaged as a minaret is of course not an actual minaret and therefore not a religious building... totally legal and would probably be a minor tourist attraction in Switzerland. The OP could make a fortune selling coffee and cake to elderly SVP protesters...
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