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Old watch repair Zurich

Amongst my stuff is my grandfather's pocket watch. From the serial number, I know it was produced in 1899, is in remarkably good condition and still keeps time! I would like to have someone take a look at it, clean it, etc. it's not very valuable, but it's cool.

Anyone have any suggestions for watch repair, particularly around zurich or Winterthur?
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Re: Old watch repair Zurich

IŽd go to a shop that still has the brand?

Went to Montblanc with a very old pen from my FIL and they repaired it for free as they found it nice to see such an old piece still being used.
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Old 10.10.2016, 22:58
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IŽd go to a shop that still has the brand?

Went to Montblanc with a very old pen from my FIL and they repaired it for free as they found it nice to see such an old piece still being used.
It's an American brand - Elgin - i don't know if they are still in existance, but it is a good thought.
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It's an American brand - Elgin - i don't know if they are still in existance, but it is a good thought.
Elgin finished production in 1968. It was started by a group of investor/watch designers, who poached staff from American Waltham to get production started.

Waltham was the first company to produce pocket watches from interchangeable parts. Elgin used the same system. Until about 10 years ago you could still buy new parts for both Elgin and Waltham (balance staffs, springs, fasteners etc.) - this is probably still the case.

If you post the serial number of the watch, and/or a pic I can probably give you a bit more information.

Any good horologist should be able to service it. Since it still runs it probably just need a clean and lubrication. I have a couple of Elgin/Walthams, they are similar construction and quite well made.

There used to be a couple in the Niederdorf, and there is also one just uphill from the ETH/USZ.
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A very good friend of mine is a watch designer, he's retired but still collects old watches, pen knives, binoculars etc, restores some himself, but also has lots of friends in the biz. I'll be seeing him on Thursday evening, I'll mention it to him
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Elgin finished production in 1968. It was started by a group of investor/watch designers, who poached staff from American Waltham to get production started.

Waltham was the first company to produce pocket watches from interchangeable parts. Elgin used the same system. Until about 10 years ago you could still buy new parts for both Elgin and Waltham (balance staffs, springs, fasteners etc.) - this is probably still the case.

If you post the serial number of the watch, and/or a pic I can probably give you a bit more information.

Any good horologist should be able to service it. Since it still runs it probably just need a clean and lubrication. I have a couple of Elgin/Walthams, they are similar construction and quite well made.

There used to be a couple in the Niederdorf, and there is also one just uphill from the ETH/USZ.
Thanks, I'll definitely check. Horologist is the word I was looking for.
Serial number is 7499241. size 12, apparently it was made in 1899 (from the Elgin database). it's in remarkable condition, in the original box and i remember my grandfather using it all thetime. He died in 1973, so I assume it's been in its box since then. I'm pretty sure he was the original owner....he came to the US in the 1890's when he was quite young.
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A very good friend of mine is a watch designer, he's retired but still collects old watches, pen knives, binoculars etc, restores some himself, but also has lots of friends in the biz. I'll be seeing him on Thursday evening, I'll mention it to him
Thank you too!
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Thanks, I'll definitely check. Horologist is the word I was looking for.
Serial number is 7499241. size 12, apparently it was made in 1899 (from the Elgin database). it's in remarkable condition, in the original box and i remember my grandfather using it all thetime. He died in 1973, so I assume it's been in its box since then. I'm pretty sure he was the original owner....he came to the US in the 1890's when he was quite young.
My copy of Shugart lists that serial number as 1898. It is a bit unusual in that it is open face - I've only seen a few open faced American watches from that period. The open face was more a Swiss style, in the UK the case and pair was still being made, but the US made vast numbers of gold clam cased double back watches, in part because of the interchangeability of parts which was pioneered in the US. Elgin, Waltham, American Watch Company were turning out both inexpensive and luxurious watches which were jewelled and adjusted, partly because of the railroad watch law ca 1890, which introduced 4 sec/day accuracy, open face, minimum Jewel counts (17iirc). Although an approved railway watch is larger than size 12, this law set the tone in the US watchmaking, so your watch is about iphone4 on the timeline, which is pretty impressive when you think that it still runs, and hasn't been serviced since '73. Get it serviced, it would be a shame if you couldn't hand it on in running condition.
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Just seen him and he uses this guy all the time, highly recommended

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My copy of Shugart lists that serial number as 1898. It is a bit unusual in that it is open face - I've only seen a few open faced American watches from that period. The open face was more a Swiss style, in the UK the case and pair was still being made, but the US made vast numbers of gold clam cased double back watches, in part because of the interchangeability of parts which was pioneered in the US. Elgin, Waltham, American Watch Company were turning out both inexpensive and luxurious watches which were jewelled and adjusted, partly because of the railroad watch law ca 1890, which introduced 4 sec/day accuracy, open face, minimum Jewel counts (17iirc). Although an approved railway watch is larger than size 12, this law set the tone in the US watchmaking, so your watch is about iphone4 on the timeline, which is pretty impressive when you think that it still runs, and hasn't been serviced since '73. Get it serviced, it would be a shame if you couldn't hand it on in running condition.
That's really interesting. I know nothing about watches...I just remember my grandfather pulling it out of his vest pocket. I like the watch and I'd like to use it. I wound it (part way) and it kept near perfect time for several hours.

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Just seen him and he uses this guy all the time, highly recommended

Herr Jenni
Awesome! Many thanks!
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Just found this Edot- in a book I am currently translating into French, by the American John Biggs- available on Kindle only. About the most famous ever watch-maker, Breguet- and the saga of his most famous watch 'La Marie-Antoinette' (title of the book) - made by Breguet to order for the Swedish Count Fersen, Marie-Antoinette's lover. A really fascinating book for anyone interested in horology- that was recommended to me by a brilliant British watch-maker as I live very close to where Breguet did his initial apprenticeship btw. 1760 and 63- before going up to Paris and the Quai des Horlogers.

There is a whole chapter on the watch making history in the USA, and this:

In a twenty year span, beginning in the early 1950s, American watch companies fell one after another. The Waltham Watch Company in Massachusetts shuttered in 1957 and was followed in 1964 by Elgin National Watch Company in Illinois. Elgin had once been the maker of half of the pocket watches in the world, and was immortalized by Robert Johnson in 1936 when he sang 'Walkin' Blues': 'She's got Elgin movements from her head to her toes'. Gruen, orignally based in Ohio, closed in 1977.

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