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Old 05.05.2007, 07:12
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Re: Looking for some advice... I am rather lost

You could always get a job at a private international school or night school to see if you even enjoy teaching. Private schools don't always require credentials. You could also do some tutoring for high school/university students.

That's crazy you've been here for a year and haven't been able to find a job. Sometimes you just have to take what you can get for the experience, and the experience leads you to the next job. I know a guy who got a job at a school here as an afterschool sports coach for a year, and he'll be teaching next September. The director just wanted to see if he could even deal with high school students before giving him a nice position (and he doesn't have a teaching credential...just some kind of art degree).
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Re: Looking for some advice... I am rather lost

Hi spmull, i'm in no position to offer advice about your future education but i really feel you need a break from the daily grind and tank up on a bit of fun. After you've evaluated all the info you've been given here and that what you've found off your own back i hope you can choose a path and relax for a while. Maybe a holiday with your wife or a trip back home.
I can see it's important to you to map out your future and i do admire that but you are young ,hell i'm not so young but we all need a bit of fun now and again. Go and smell the flowers
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Re: Looking for some advice... I am rather lost

Your post actually got me to join

I know October 06 was a long time ago and you've probably already decided what you want to do by now, but maybe this helps anyway:

I used to go to the KZU (Kantonschule Zuercher Unterland, Gymnasium Buelach) and we had the possibility to sign up to a "Freifach" called English Conversation (something like that). The school employed English or American university students, around your age, to talk to us and get us to improve our spoken english and understanding of colloquial speech.

If you got a job like that you could already get a first impression of what it's like to teach at a Gymnasium and by getting to know the other teachers/headmaster maybe even a "real" teaching job (maybe English and History since most teachers at Gymnasiums teach more than one subject?) after your MA.

Since school systems, requirements and names vary from Kanton to Kanton and there are so many different possibilities and ways to achieve what you want, I would advise you to just go to a careers officer, who will explain it all to you and help you figure out what you actually want...

I like this one because it gives career and study advice (also it's not a pricey as some):
http://www.berufsberatung.zh.ch/kant...n/uni/kontakt/


Hope you managed to find your own place now and can enjoy some alone time with your wive just kidding.
Anyways sorry for the rambling and hope everything works out for you one way or another
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Re: Looking for some advice... I am rather lost

I am returning to the US for law school. I am still waiting to hear from the schools I care about the most, but I was already accepted to a top 25 school with a rather large, and unsolicited, scholarship.

Here in Switzerland I've been stuck in the service sector -- something I never want to experience again. I've probably served at least a couple of you given the number of English-speaking customers I've had. On top of that, I was "advised" not to begin studying law at the University of Zurich this spring semester. It is actually not important to me, as I could just as well study in the US and then come back here for two years. The degree takes 3 years to complete in the US, but 5 years in CH... Ultimately I'd spend the same amount of time studying -- but be able to practice in the US as well.

In addition, I decided that I didn't want to learn Latin -- it is a total waste of time. If I have to learn Latin to teach here in Switzerland, why should I even bother? I did study history at the University of Zürich last semester, but found the courses I was told to attend extremely easy and boring. I was also required to have a Latin certificate if I want to attend full seminars. No thank you.

I am providing this update as I have received a number of private messages in response to this specific post. Consider the case closed -- I'm leaving Switzerland in a rather anti-Swiss mood.
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Re: Looking for some advice... I am rather lost

Personally, I think you are a pain in the arse.

Get over yourself. And no, I am not an expat who had it easy coming over here, but I've been here for 6months, have gone through the period of hating my job, have lived with a complete bitch, but do you know what?

I have survived, love my life here, and oh, yeah, turned 22 a month after I arrived here.

I can't believe that you found Switzerland so difficult. At least you had your wife with you, and the 'support' of a family network, crazy and all as they may have been. I moved over here entirely on my own, knew no-one, spoke very very basic German, and now have a flourishing social life, swiss boyfriend and understand 90% of what is said to me.

I think you made life a bit difficult for yourself somewhere along the way.
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I am returning to the US for law school. I am still waiting to hear from the schools I care about the most, but I was already accepted to a top 25 school with a rather large, and unsolicited, scholarship.

Here in Switzerland I've been stuck in the service sector -- something I never want to experience again. I've probably served at least a couple of you given the number of English-speaking customers I've had. On top of that, I was "advised" not to begin studying law at the University of Zurich this spring semester. It is actually not important to me, as I could just as well study in the US and then come back here for two years. The degree takes 3 years to complete in the US, but 5 years in CH... Ultimately I'd spend the same amount of time studying -- but be able to practice in the US as well.

In addition, I decided that I didn't want to learn Latin -- it is a total waste of time. If I have to learn Latin to teach here in Switzerland, why should I even bother? I did study history at the University of Zürich last semester, but found the courses I was told to attend extremely easy and boring. I was also required to have a Latin certificate if I want to attend full seminars. No thank you.

I am providing this update as I have received a number of private messages in response to this specific post. Consider the case closed -- I'm leaving Switzerland in a rather anti-Swiss mood.
Good luck and don't ever lose your sense of humor...
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Personally, I think you are a pain in the arse.

Get over yourself. And no, I am not an expat who had it easy coming over here, but I've been here for 6months, have gone through the period of hating my job, have lived with a complete bitch, but do you know what?

I have survived, love my life here, and oh, yeah, turned 22 a month after I arrived here.

I can't believe that you found Switzerland so difficult. At least you had your wife with you, and the 'support' of a family network, crazy and all as they may have been. I moved over here entirely on my own, knew no-one, spoke very very basic German, and now have a flourishing social life, swiss boyfriend and understand 90% of what is said to me.

I think you made life a bit difficult for yourself somewhere along the way.
Well, I just think you deserve a gold star.
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Re: Looking for some advice... I am rather lost

Why thank you Chemgoddess, I think I do too.
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Re: Looking for some advice... I am rather lost

I'm sorry - you have obviously mistaken us for someone that gives a shit.

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Re: Looking for some advice... I am rather lost

Hi!

My recommendation: Do not go for a service job, but an internship "Praktikum" in an area that interests you. This is very common here and even mandatory at the more applied colleges. The pay is low but most probably not lower than the service jobs mentioned. The upside is that you make more valuable contacts and I know a lot of people including myself and my wife who managed to convince their boss of their worth and became regular employees afterwards.

These internships are usually advertised in the universities or on student websites. Since you are only 22 your are much younger than most graduates here, so you definitely have an advantage. Go for the big companies, they will be happy to have a native speaker for some documentation work.

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Ok, next time I will read till the end first...
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Re: Looking for some advice... I am rather lost

Please try to remember a couple of things here....
1. This thread was started a long time ago
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Ok, next time I will read till the end first...
Seemed like they were hard on him but I am not going to read the whole thread to find out if they were justified or not
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Re: Looking for some advice... I am rather lost

I don't think anyone ever does go back to da roots. The ability to recount arguments and points made possibly years ago is strictly a female preserve.

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Personally, I think you are a pain in the arse.

Get over yourself. And no, I am not an expat who had it easy coming over here, but I've been here for 6months, have gone through the period of hating my job, have lived with a complete bitch, but do you know what?

I have survived, love my life here, and oh, yeah, turned 22 a month after I arrived here.

I can't believe that you found Switzerland so difficult. At least you had your wife with you, and the 'support' of a family network, crazy and all as they may have been. I moved over here entirely on my own, knew no-one, spoke very very basic German, and now have a flourishing social life, swiss boyfriend and understand 90% of what is said to me.

I think you made life a bit difficult for yourself somewhere along the way.
Now that youve had time to stop patting yourself on the back, you might like to consider the fact that YOU came to Switzerland because YOU wanted to and were well prepared with a degree that you knew could be used in the pharmaceutical industry. Things usually have a way of turning out well when you follow your own star. Like DaveA said "the difficult thing in life is finding out what you want in the first place". In many ways its easier to make a completely fresh start on ones own than being in a partnership or with a family because there is no compromise.

Spmull06 on the other hand, came here because his wife wanted to finish her studies here. Probably he wouldnt have been here if it wasnt for her.
He came ill prepared with a degree that is not very useful here and in spite of being in a family doesnt sound as if he got much support from them. (Ever tried living with a mad mother-in-law?). You see, totally different circumstances.

He is right to worry about sorting out his career now rather than later because a Norwegian friend of mine who speaks 5 languages, has a degree from Norway and has been here 20 years, is STILL working as a cleaner for Spitex because she didnt have the right qualifications i.e. in finance or pharmaceuticals or IT and no-one has ever given her a chance.

So when life has kicked you in the face a few times thats when you really start learning (about life and compassion) not careers or having fun. Lets see where you stand in 20 years time.
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Re: Looking for some advice... I am rather lost

I can understand your frustration. But as others have said in this forum, start with anything. Beggars can be choosers. Why don't you try offering private tuitions in English?
All the Best!!
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Sorry mean to say, Beggars can't be choosers
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Re: Looking for some advice... I am rather lost

Hello Spmull06,

I'm from Washington, DC and I can relate to your situation as I was in a similar situation when I moved to Switzerland in 2005. My wife is Swiss and did not want to move to the USA.

Coming from a career in Fire Protection Engineering,Aviation Safety and Disaster Management. International Exp and 29 years old (at that time), but still could not find a job anywhere in this area.

(Matter of Fact, I am one of three people worldwide who made the rank of Fire Chief before the age 30.)

I was told that "there is no where in Switzerland that you can get these certifications" Good Luck on your job search!! (Who cares if you used to teach Space Shuttle Rescue)

My impression about the job market here is that in this country no one gives a S*%T about what you did before you moved to Switzerland. I think they would even ask Superman for his Swiss Certifications! "Which I can understand to preserve jobs for Swiss Citizens".

I also looked into a Masters program but my personal feeling was that the programs here are all about money. Therefore, somehow I had to adapt to the environment. Since going back to College was totally out of the question, I decided to try a entirely new field: Information Technology!!

I found a part time school in Zürich that taught IT subjects in English and attended this school for about one year, while working in a call center (just to keep my blood flowing). After I finished the school "With my Swiss Certification", I started applying for everything from CEO positions to first level support. My thinking was "it's all about the numbers" and eventually after about 3 to 4 hundred applications, it paid off.

My advise to you:
  1. BUILD YOUR NETWORK!!! (This can really help your here in Switzerland as many who's been in your position before and are now in positions to influence decisions)
  2. Get out your in laws place and get your own. Move far enough where they have to call first to visit you!!
  3. Instead of "re doing" a degree, find something else that you are interested in and try something new!! You can always go back to what you did before.
  4. Instead of looking into Swiss Schools, try looking into the English speaking schools. A really big High School is being built in Adliswil, ZH
  5. Language is important but there are many (like myself) where language at work is English! Especially in Zürich
  6. And once again BUILD YOUR NETWORK!!!
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Hello Spmull06,

SNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP

And once again BUILD YOUR NETWORK!!!
Chap, he is back in the US, Boston by the looks of his location.

This thread is old gold & doesn't really need to be stirred up yet again, if you have read through the whole piece, you will understand.
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Crisis & Safety management is interesting and a hot subject at the moment, I am surprised that you couldn't find work in a safety consultancy. I am shortly undertaking a crisis management course as part of a larger Aviation Management qualification. It is the most oversubscribed module on the whole course. I would not write off your training just yet unless you no longer have interest.

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Coming from a career in Fire Protection Engineering,Aviation Safety and Disaster Management. International Exp and 29 years old (at that time), but still could not find a job anywhere in this area.

...

I was told that "there is no where in Switzerland that you can get these certifications" Good Luck on your job search!! (Who cares if you used to teach Space Shuttle Rescue)

...

I also looked into a Masters program but my personal feeling was that the programs here are all about money. Therefore, somehow I had to adapt to the environment. Since going back to College was totally out of the question, I decided to try a entirely new field: Information Technology!!

I found a part time school in Zürich that taught IT subjects in English and attended this school for about one year, while working in a call center (just to keep my blood flowing). After I finished the school "With my Swiss Certification", I started applying for everything from CEO positions to first level support. My thinking was "it's all about the numbers" and eventually after about 3 to 4 hundred applications, it paid off.

My advise to you:
  1. BUILD YOUR NETWORK!!! (This can really help your here in Switzerland as many who's been in your position before and are now in positions to influence decisions)
  2. Get out your in laws place and get your own. Move far enough where they have to call first to visit you!!
  3. Instead of "re doing" a degree, find something else that you are interested in and try something new!! You can always go back to what you did before.
  4. Instead of looking into Swiss Schools, try looking into the English speaking schools. A really big High School is being built in Adliswil, ZH
  5. Language is important but there are many (like myself) where language at work is English! Especially in Zürich
  6. And once again BUILD YOUR NETWORK!!!
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