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11.01.2010, 21:17
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at times I glance at the SBB app on iPhone or the web to check delays etc.. just glanced ans there are like 5 postings listing Accidents Involving People in the Bern area. From what I heard these are in a lot of cases suicides or incidents of people getting injured on platforms. Interesting is that there is never a mention of it on Tagesanzeiger or 20 Minuten Online.
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11.01.2010, 21:22
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Colleague asked me if I knew anything about the incident in Gland (I live there and chose to work from the office this morning). Supposedly someone jumped on the rails...
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11.01.2010, 21:25
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You're right, you never read about these sort of things, but apparently they happen almost daily. But I think there's no value in reading these sort of "news", as it might encourage others and only a real article with background info, statistics really is useful.
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11.01.2010, 21:27
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11.01.2010, 21:35
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There seems to be an almost unwritten rule that no stories about "Accident Du Personne" should be published, as stated above to stop similar copycat attempts... almost 99% of them are suicides that are 100% successful and unfortunately disrupt a lot of train passengers.
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11.01.2010, 21:51
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| | | Re: Accident involving people (SBB) | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Yeah I'd say it is BS...suicides are not accounted for.. read somewhere that SBB does not keep statistics on suicides involving SBB assets
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11.01.2010, 22:11
| | | | Re: Accident involving people (SBB) | Quote: | |  | | | Yeah I'd say it is BS...suicides are not accounted for.. read somewhere that SBB does not keep statistics on suicides involving SBB assets | | | | | As given in the title, the report is about "accidents" involving people and last I checked suicides were not accidents.
From the point of view of SBB safety, suicide figures are totally irrelevant, and I think they have actually done a fine job in preparing this report.
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11.01.2010, 22:19
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| | | Re: Accident involving people (SBB) | Quote: | |  | | | I think it is your interpretation that is BS, not the report If you read the title, it is about "accidents" involving people and last I checked suicides were not accidents.
From the point of view of SBB safety, suicide figures are totally irrelevant. | | | | | yes you are right. I did see this a bit differently
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22.01.2012, 22:30
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Was just passing in the train in opposite direction, there were 3-4 sheets covering people  on the tracks, this was just after lausanne.
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22.01.2012, 23:25
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We saw a man jump in front of a train at Stadelhofen a few years ago, the train hit him and he went under. Absolutely horrifying. We searched the news for a couple of days to see of he indeed was killed, but we never found anything.
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25.01.2012, 05:21
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Suicides make up around 90-95% of all accidents with trains in Switzerland, and the frequency is disturbing. Some swiss argue that the description "Personenunfall" is too weak, insulating the community from the real problem. Others argue that any more accurate term would perhaps encourage other depressed persons to use this option.
Perhaps standing in front of a train is 99.9% effective in solving the deceased's problems, it traumatises a wider range of people, not the least being the train driver, guards, police and others involved cleaning up the mess. | | The following 6 users would like to thank litespeed for this useful post: | | 
25.01.2012, 10:43
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last August my train was delayed due to the "accident involving people" in Ruemlang. As we approached the station, 2 or so tracks away from the train and about 100m away from the platform of the station I saw a sizeable part of a human body laying right next to the track. Train involved was a IR which does not stop at that station. On the platform i saw a closed very simple coffin and of course police and SBB employees.
On the way back I saw them towing awain the train and also saw about 5-6 individuals with black bags slowly searching the immediate area of the accident...most of the bags were quite full.
the whole thing shook me up quite a bit...since than i try to look away when a train approaches the station...can't imagine what a train operator must go through or those who actually witness the whole event.
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25.01.2012, 11:08
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I know a driver who decided to quit his job after the 6th suicide in front of his train. Poor guy...
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25.01.2012, 13:06
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| | | Re: Accident involving people (SBB) | Quote: | |  | | | I know a driver who decided to quit his job after the 6th suicide in front of his train. Poor guy... | | | | | I worked on the Union Pacific for 28 years and we have alot of people hit, none that I would ever call a suicide. Usually hit crossing behind one Passenger train not thinking of other trains from other directions just taking a shortcut. Others were walking in the middle of or too close to the side of the tracks, thinking they would hear the train. There is alot better ways to die than being hit and ground up like hamburger under and between the trains. Once kids thought they would crawl under a stopped train only to have it start moving, lucky they only lost a few legs. Having to take bags and find body parts picking up hands and shoes with feet inside isn't my favorite thing. My worst fear was more a big Tanker truck stalled on the crossing, thought it was over but luckily it was full of milk. In the cab all over the engine.. It takes a long time to stop a moving train.
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25.01.2012, 13:20
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I am quite new to commuting and a couple of weeks ago there was an almighty sound of stone and gravel being kicked up under our train carriage at high speed. Several people looked around, frightened as if the train was going to derail. I tried to search for some info about it but nothing, my guess is that this was either an animal or person that had been struck by a train. Very frightening experience.
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25.01.2012, 13:26
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| | | Re: Accident involving people (SBB) | Quote: | |  | | | I worked on the Union Pacific for 28 years and we have alot of people hit, none that I would ever call a suicide. Usually hit crossing behind one Passenger train not thinking of other trains from other directions just taking a shortcut. Others were walking in the middle of or too close to the side of the tracks, thinking they would hear the train. There is alot better ways to die than being hit and ground up like hamburger under and between the trains. Once kids thought they would crawl under a stopped train only to have it start moving, lucky they only lost a few legs. Having to take bags and find body parts picking up hands and shoes with feet inside isn't my favorite thing. My worst fear was more a big Tanker truck stalled on the crossing, thought it was over but luckily it was full of milk. In the cab all over the engine.. It takes a long time to stop a moving train. | | | | | Really necessary to go into these kind of details?
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25.01.2012, 13:29
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The bigger question should not be why these aren't publicized and reported, but rather what the society is doing to prevent them.
In this shuttered culture where teachers don't hug their students and affection is frowned upon or reflected in three shallow cheek kisses, why aren't people able to get the help that they need to prevent suicide in the first place?
Just the statistical sampling on this thread is alarming enough to require that something be done about it.
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25.01.2012, 13:46
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One of my daughters commutes from Surrey to London every day, and she says they get 'jumpers' several times a week.
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25.01.2012, 14:02
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| | | Re: Accident involving people (SBB) | Quote: | |  | | | One of my daughters commutes from Surrey to London every day, and she says they get 'jumpers' several times a week. | | | | |
Surely not enough hugs in kindergarten.
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25.01.2012, 14:03
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