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Any easy way to find your B permit type?

Dear all,

I joined the group a couple of weeks back and I was going through most of the threads to find an answer for my question. But it didn't help me probably because of lot of jargons. I come across cases where people discussing about Open B permit , closed B permit, B permit restricted to a project, short term B permit etc.,

Is it possible for me to find out my B permit type without reaching the labour authorities?

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In my case, on the front side of the work permit it is written as 'Mit Erwerbstätigkeit' and on the back side it is written as "Selbst. Erwerbstatigkeit ist bewilligungspflichtig". Is there any way I can find out what type of permit I hold with this information alone?

Sorry if I duplicated the thread discussed some where earlier and thanks for your helpful information.
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Re: Any easy way to find your B permit type?

Hi,

The credit card shaped is residence permit and the work permit is the paper you or your employer receieve from the Arbeits AMt of the canton.If you dont have check with your employer.There is clearly states what kind of permit you hold.Also you recieve something called Stellen Antrit before recieving the work permit. There From and where states the duration of the permit. In your case if To is blank then you have a open unrestricted permit which gives the possibility of employer change.

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Re: Any easy way to find your B permit type?

There From and TO Signifies the duration of the permit

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Hi,

The credit card shaped is residence permit and the work permit is the paper you or your employer receieve from the Arbeits AMt of the canton.If you dont have check with your employer.There is clearly states what kind of permit you hold.Also you recieve something called Stellen Antrit before recieving the work permit. There From and where states the duration of the permit. In your case if To is blank then you have a open unrestricted permit which gives the possibility of employer change.

Hope it helps.

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Hi,

The credit card shaped is residence permit and the work permit is the paper you or your employer receieve from the Arbeits AMt of the canton.If you dont have check with your employer.There is clearly states what kind of permit you hold.Also you recieve something called Stellen Antrit before recieving the work permit. There From and where states the duration of the permit. In your case if To is blank then you have a open unrestricted permit which gives the possibility of employer change.

Hope it helps.

GoForIt
Dear GoForIT,

Thanks a lot for the info. I Checked my STELLENANTRITT to get the details and here it is. There is a fixed start and end date 12/June/2010 till 11/June/2011.

The below contents have been written in the BEDIGUNGEN and BEMERKUNGEN section.

BEDIGUNGEN
Gemäss awa-Verfgüng vom 24.09.2010
Verlängerung um 12 Monate Art,83 Abs. 3 VZAE
ein Stellenwechsel ist grundsätzlich nicht möglich

BEMERKUNGEN
Diese Verfügung ist provisorisch und gilt nur bis zum Erhalt der neuen Anwesenheitsbewilligung. Einsatzort: Zürich Vers.-Gesellschaft, Zürich

and my company name is given in the stellenantritt als section. Is there a way I can find out the type of the permit with this information?

Thanks and Regards,
Mani
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Re: Any easy way to find your B permit type?

Also is there a way I can go for a employer change at the time of extension?
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Re: Any easy way to find your B permit type?

Hi Mani,

Can you tell me how can and where can I find the stellenantritt?

This will be much much helpful for me.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
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Re: Any easy way to find your B permit type?

Hi mani,

your details clearly says that yours a restricted permit and change of employer is not possible. Every year at the time of renewal you or your employer will get the stellen Antrit. If the TO column has a end date that means yours restriced.

ein Stellenwechsel ist grundsätzlich nicht möglich
English translation: A change of employer is not possible.

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Hi mani,

your details clearly says that yours a restricted permit and change of employer is not possible. Every year at the time of renewal you or your employer will get the stellen Antrit. If the TO column has a end date that means yours restriced.

ein Stellenwechsel ist grundsätzlich nicht möglich
English translation: A change of employer is not possible.

Hope it helps.
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Hi Goforit,

Thanks for the information. Looks like I have to pack my bags as the eco system with my current employer is not so friendly and I have no other options.

Cheers,
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Hi Mani,

Can you tell me how can and where can I find the stellenantritt?

This will be much much helpful for me.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Hari
Hi Hari,

This was given to me by my employer. Usually it will be given to the person who handles immigration department in your company. Hope this helps.

Cheers,
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Re: Any easy way to find your B permit type?

Hi Mani,

dont be disappointed...i dont know your story...but if your were terminated due to economic reasons and if your stars are good then you will find another job here with new work permit....

best of luck
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Hi Goforit,

Thanks for the information. Looks like I have to pack my bags as the eco system with my current employer is not so friendly and I have no other options.

Cheers,
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Re: Any easy way to find your B permit type?

Dear All,

I was contacting my HR to ask about my Stellenantritt but she said she doesnt know what is that. As far as I know when I was in India, my company sent me a formular called 'Ermächtigung Zur Visumerteilung für Die Schweizer Vertretung(EB)' and there is is written

Zulassungscode : 1402 Janresaufenthalter
Auffenhaltszweck : Softwareentwickler
Aufenthaltsdauer : 1 Jahr, mit Verlängerungsmöglichkeit
Bedingugen : Gültiges Resisedokument
Bemerkungen :

But every year I get a letter from St.Gallen called 'Verfallsanzeige ( Ausweis B)' where there is a column in back page called Für Erwerbstätige wheremy current company sign and give company seal.
Apart from this my company HR even doesnt know what is Stellenantritt.
Can you tell me how does it look?

Thank you very much for your help.

Regards,
Hari
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Dear All,

I was contacting my HR to ask about my Stellenantritt but she said she doesnt know what is that. As far as I know when I was in India, my company sent me a formular called 'Ermächtigung Zur Visumerteilung für Die Schweizer Vertretung(EB)' and there is is written

Zulassungscode : 1402 Janresaufenthalter
Auffenhaltszweck : Softwareentwickler
Aufenthaltsdauer : 1 Jahr, mit Verlängerungsmöglichkeit
Bedingugen : Gültiges Resisedokument
Bemerkungen :

But every year I get a letter from St.Gallen called 'Verfallsanzeige ( Ausweis B)' where there is a column in back page called Für Erwerbstätige wheremy current company sign and give company seal.
Apart from this my company HR even doesnt know what is Stellenantritt.
Can you tell me how does it look?

Thank you very much for your help.

Regards,
Hari
The only thing you really need to know about is that you have a restricted B permit tied to the employer. There was a slight false translation in an earlier post though. Grundsätzlich means in this case as a rule.

It is not true that you cannot change employer just that you need to reapply if you want to change employer and this means your current employer has to say you can go and the new employer has to provide evidence that you are specially deserving of the role they have.
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Re: Any easy way to find your B permit type?

Hi Itsmeagain

Where should we be located when we reapply? In our home country or can be done when we are here?

Also, can we reapply when we still hold a valid B permit?

Regards.
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Re: Any easy way to find your B permit type?

hi,

one can apply for a permit by being in Swiss with a valid B permit...
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The only thing you really need to know about is that you have a restricted B permit tied to the employer. There was a slight false translation in an earlier post though. Grundsätzlich means in this case as a rule.

It is not true that you cannot change employer just that you need to reapply if you want to change employer and this means your current employer has to say you can go and the new employer has to provide evidence that you are specially deserving of the role they have.
Hi Itsmeagain,

Is the consent from the current employer mandatory? Is it possible to change employer without the same, if not immediately atleast when you go for the next renewal.
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Hi Itsmeagain,

Is the consent from the current employer mandatory? Is it possible to change employer without the same, if not immediately atleast when you go for the next renewal.
It is mandatory or a period of 6 months must elapse. It is to prevent people from hoping from job to job - they are employed because the company bringing you in has a need and they can prove you are the right person. If the need is still there and you are still the right person then you should carry on and fill the position.

You must understand that many people in Switzerland work 40 years for the same company...
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It is mandatory or a period of 6 months must elapse. It is to prevent people from hoping from job to job
Well, sort of, but not really. The rule is actually there to prevent employees coming in on project based contracts as a convenient way of entering the Swiss employment market.

Where the project is cancelled or completes early then the authorities tend to have some sympathy for the employee and allows them to change jobs - even on to normal contract jobs - and it is for this that the current employee would need to write a letter in support of the applicant. In this case the permit does not come out of the quota.

A letter stating that the company has no objection to the change is not sufficient and if the employee resigns when on one of these contracts then the change is not allowed.

The 6 month period you alude to has nothing to do with this situation - it is the period before which a person (or rather a company) can apply for a subsequent work permit. In this case all the original criteria have to be met and the permit comes out of the quota.

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- they are employed because the company bringing you in has a need and they can prove you are the right person.
Almost never for project based contracts - normally there is a need and the company can prove there is no one locally at the price .

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You must understand that many people in Switzerland work 40 years for the same company...
Sometime, it shows .
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Well, sort of, but not really. The rule is actually there to prevent employees coming in on project based contracts as a convenient way of entering the Swiss employment market.

Where the project is cancelled or completes early then the authorities tend to have some sympathy for the employee and allows them to change jobs - even on to normal contract jobs - and it is for this that the current employee would need to write a letter in support of the applicant. In this case the permit does not come out of the quota.

A letter stating that the company has no objection to the change is not sufficient and if the employee resigns when on one of these contracts then the change is not allowed.

The 6 month period you alude to has nothing to do with this situation - it is the period before which a person (or rather a company) can apply for a subsequent work permit. In this case all the original criteria have to be met and the permit comes out of the quota.



Almost never for project based contracts - normally there is a need and the company can prove there is no one locally at the price .
It is interesting that you actually say the same thing but imply the opporsite.

A non-EU citizen wanting to change employers is prevented from doing so if the current employer does not agree to the change. Been there got the T-Shirt.

The quote from the migrationsamt (translated) was The current employer refuses to release the employee's work permit. We request that you liaise with the current employer to obtain a release.

Project based employment attracts a so called L permit. The substantial difference between an L and a B permit is that the employee is coming on a short term project and not an open ended project ie unbefristet. For this reason L permits have "strict" renewal limitations and are terminated at the end of the project without the ability to renew - at least according to law but in practice... sometimes... That the employee is left with a cancelled project only means that they get longer to leave or they get a maybe more sympathetic appraisal when it comes to a B permit role. But writing that the migrationsamt tends to do anything is rather dangerous as form experience they only tend to surprise!

I never said that the letter was sufficient just that without the letter the answer is no. That to my understanding means it is mandatory unless of course you want the answer no. And the 6 month period has everything to do with this situation as if you dont have the letter you are debarred from reapplying for 6 months ie that is the waiting period. This waiting period applies to the person not to the company wanting to hire you. Ask people who work internationally for companies like PWC or Accenture they usually come in on a 120 in a year permit or a 4 month permit and then wonder why they have to wait 6 months before they can get another one or have a big fight and hope someone in the MA gives in... Oh and they are often EU citizens...

A requirement for a non-EU citizen is to prove that you are qualified and there is no-one locally available - Price is specifically not a factor to prevent loan dumping... The proof is actually taken to be you have extensively advertised for a period of 4 weeks and received no suitable applications. But of course if you want the person you can simply add and speaks Japanese, Tagalog and Swahili narrowing the candidates down to the four in the world that have that combination.
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Re: Any easy way to find your B permit type?

I would just like to say that this thread is typical of every thread about different work permits....

There are lots of different work permits, and several variations of an 'L' or a 'B' permit.

To summarise what has been said above, and I'd be curious if these rules can be applied to every permit question on this forum:

1. There is a huge difference between EU and Non-EU permits, so don't talk to anyone who has an EU permit because they have completely different rules.

2. The most significant difference (in my opinion) between the NON-EU L and B permit is that with an L your spouse is not entitled to work, but with B they can. Otherwise, L's can be renewed to become B's. But it's unusual to go from a B back to an L.

3. The 'validity dates' of your permit should be on your card, but that gives no indication of whether or not the authorities will renew the permit for you again.

4. Your employer should have a copy of a document which tells them your exact status - short or long term, tied or not tied, and they probably have a reasonable idea of whether it will be renewed or not.

5. Most employers will have experienced applying for new permits or renewals and having them denied, so they will probably be reluctant to tell you anyway, and if they already know that it won't be renewed, they probably won't tell you because it will undermine the working relationship...

6. The immigration authorities do check work contracts as part of the approval process, and are unlikely to approve a contract if the salary is not within their reasonable limits, so they do appear to discourage organisations from bringing in foreigners who are cheaper than locals...

7. The permission to work in Switzerland is an arrangement between your employer and the government. You can't really go around and organise things for yourself, and it probably won't be appreciated by the authorities, unless your employer is doing something that is incorrect or inappropriate (harrassment, abuse of contract terms, not paying you according to your contract, lying to you about your status)...
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Re: Any easy way to find your B permit type?

short clarification: in this thread, i sometimes read the word "stellenantritt", which can cause some confusion.

"stellenantritt" in german language simply means: (date of your) first working day (at the new employer).

stelle (or arbeitsstelle) = job
antritt (or beginn) = beginning (of a job or shift at a factory)

so don't be surprised, when your (german speaking) vis-à-vis looks confused if you ask him/her "what about my stellenantritt?". she/he probably could not imagine what should be wrong with it
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