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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

http://www.parlament.ch/d/organe-mit...nung-spk-n.pdf

Update, discussion to occur in Parliament on January 17th!

Geschäft / Objet 11.022 n
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

Just as a side comment for anyone who moves to Switzerland with young children. The children can obtain their Swiss Nationality after 6 years as every year they live in Switzerland under the age of 18 years of age counts as 2 years.
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Update, discussion to occur in Parliament on January 17th!

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Thanks for the information. But the discussion is in the corresponding Commission and not in the Parliment.
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Old 28.12.2012, 09:42
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Just as a side comment for anyone who moves to Switzerland with young children. The children can obtain their Swiss Nationality after 6 years as every year they live in Switzerland under the age of 18 years of age counts as 2 years.
Unless this has changed recently, this is not completely correct. Each year counting as 2 years for the naturalisation requirement applies only between the ages of 10 and 20.

Source: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm/...02.html#a_0002

A pity though, otherwise my kids would be signing up now.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

Anybody know´s what the result of today´s discussion in the parlaiment about this was?
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Old 17.01.2013, 21:26
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Anybody know´s what the result of today´s discussion in the parlaiment about this was?
This wasn't discussed at parliament level, as the house isn't currently sitting. There was however a meeting of the appropriate commission this morning. The minutes of these meetings are not published...
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Old 17.01.2013, 21:52
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

Discussions ended about 3 hours ago, let's wait a few days as the press may come up with something on this.
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I suppose any news will be added Here
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

Isn't it a 2 day thing ?
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

Hi All,

Can I confirm the time a child needs to be in CH, am I correct in my understanding that a child born in CH can apply on his/her 11th birthday?

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Unless this has changed recently, this is not completely correct. Each year counting as 2 years for the naturalisation requirement applies only between the ages of 10 and 20.

Source: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm/...02.html#a_0002

A pity though, otherwise my kids would be signing up now.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

http://www.parlament.ch/d/mm/2013/Se...013-01-18.aspx

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Der grössere Teil der Sitzungszeit war der Beratung der Totalrevision des Bürgerrechtsgesetzes (11.022) gewidmet. Die Beratungen konnten noch nicht abgeschlossen werden.
Die Kommission tagt am 17./18. Januar 2013 unter dem Vorsitz von Nationalrat Ueli Leuenberger (G, GE) in Bern.

Bern, 18. Januar 2012 Parlamentsdienste
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

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The bulk of the meeting time was advising the total revision of the Civil Rights Act paid (11,022). The discussions have not yet been completed.
The Commission meets on 17-18. January 2013. Chaired by National Ueli Leuenberger (G, GE) in Bern

Bern 18th, January 2012 Parliamentary Services
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

I expected it, discussions are still on going and hopefully will be finalized for a parliamentary vote sometime this year.

I think the main sticky point is not so much the 8 year requirement, but rather the idea to "federalize" the whole process. This would greatly remove a lot of hurdles and conditions the cantons and communes can place on a naturalization application. This is a big change to the current law which has been around since the 1950s.

Interesting that the blueprint says one should have good knowledge of a Swiss National Language; maybe cantonal language requirements will go away?

I think this legal blueprint has to be crafted and passed in a way that is as consensual as possible. Any rash moves by parliament to force it through would risk a serious challenge in a national referendum. This is a very complex and touchy subject in Swiss politics which must be approached cautiously. As long as discussions are ongoing, it can only be a good sign.
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Re: Any advantages for having Swiss Citizenship??

I'm a citizen of the U.S. and have been eligible for Swiss citizenship for some time now. I became less enthusiastic about the whole process once I realized I would be paying around 1,500. CHF. in various fees. For what? Will someone please explain to me what the advantages would be, other than being allowed to travel to Cuba? Otherwise, I am content to continue working while holding on to my C Permit. I will probably be returning to the U.S. in the next 5-6 yrs..
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I'm a citizen of the U.S. and have been eligible for Swiss citizenship for some time now. I became less enthusiastic about the whole process once I realized I would be paying around 1,500. CHF. in various fees. For what? Will someone please explain to me what the advantages would be, other than being allowed to travel to Cuba? Otherwise, I am content to continue working while holding on to my C Permit. I will probably be returning to the U.S. in the next 5-6 yrs..
Work and residency rights in the EU ?
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I'm a citizen of the U.S. and have been eligible for Swiss citizenship for some time now. I became less enthusiastic about the whole process once I realized I would be paying around 1,500. CHF. in various fees. For what? Will someone please explain to me what the advantages would be, other than being allowed to travel to Cuba? Otherwise, I am content to continue working while holding on to my C Permit. I will probably be returning to the U.S. in the next 5-6 yrs..
CHF 1500.- is (according to my sources) not enough
My source, a former American, paid out just under CHF 2500.- throughout the process recently. But, as usual, the total cost is Canton dependent.

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I'm a citizen of the U.S. and have been eligible for Swiss citizenship for some time now. I became less enthusiastic about the whole process once I realized I would be paying around 1,500. CHF. in various fees. For what? Will someone please explain to me what the advantages would be, other than being allowed to travel to Cuba? Otherwise, I am content to continue working while holding on to my C Permit. I will probably be returning to the U.S. in the next 5-6 yrs..
If you don't expect to return to the US, the decision to apply is a no brainer. The cost more than justifies the benefits as you can renounce the US passport later on and avoid incurring future extra taxes or draconian confiscatory penalties.

If you expect to return, it could be beneficial to have. It can be passed on to your children and, given the fiscal and political direction the US is headed, it would be very useful since it would allow you to live and work in a safe haven.

Consider a Swiss passport as "revolution insurance".
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Re: Any advantages for having Swiss Citizenship??

I would absolutely NEVER consider renouncing my US passport! My daughters are 28&30 yrs. old, both are absolutely solid in their professions in the U.S.. Although they attended Swiss public schools for 3 yrs.&speak perfect German, they have never expressed any interest whatsoever in returning to Switzerland as anything other than a tourist. So, that takes me back to the original question. What would the advantage be for me as a retired woman(in 6 yrs.!) who has lived in Switzerland for 17 yrs. and worked here for the past 7 yrs. to have Swiss citizenship??
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

Whatever floats your boat - I think the penultimate posts have laid it out already.
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I would absolutely NEVER consider renouncing my US passport! My daughters are 28&30 yrs. old, both are absolutely solid in their professions in the U.S.. Although they attended Swiss public schools for 3 yrs.&speak perfect German, they have never expressed any interest whatsoever in returning to Switzerland as anything other than a tourist. So, that takes me back to the original question. What would the advantage be for me as a retired woman(in 6 yrs.!) who has lived in Switzerland for 17 yrs. and worked here for the past 7 yrs. to have Swiss citizenship??
i guess you can renounce your US passport and open a bank account.
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