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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

Another good round up in German:
http://www.gmx.ch/themen/nachrichten...undesratslinie
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And which political faction will be pushing for the collection of these signatures? What will be the platform and justification to collect signatures to challenge a law which makes naturalization more restrictive?

Certainly not the SVP/UDC as this is the best dealt to restrict naturalization they may ever get since the original law, which was passed in the 1950s.
well leftists sometimes promoted unwinnable referendums, such as the one against the law that made asylum less easy to abuse.
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Why it will be more difficult for non-eu students? It should be the come as it is.
No. It would be harder.
Current state: As a rule, third-country nationals are in a position to be granted a settlement permit after ten years’ regular and uninterrupted residence in Switzerland. But time on student permit(even PhD) doesn't count! This is why for a guy who had done master&phD here(8 years) it's easyer to wait for 4 years and apply for naturalization, without getting C permit.

If new law passes, even after master&phD here people will wait around 10 years to get C(becouse in most cases for first couple of years they will be on L permit that also doesn't count).

Thus people working in ETH Zurich, EPFL and CERN are out of luck with new law.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

Greetings,

Please forgive my ignorance, but does anyone know if the discussion about amending the naturalization process would affect my application for facilitated naturalization as described in the following law:

“Child born before 1 July 1985 whose mother is Swiss (Article 58a)

Article 58a states:
"A child with foreign nationality who was born before 1 July 1985, and whose mother was a Swiss citizen before or at the time of the birth, can submit an application for simplified naturalization if he/she has close connections with Switzerland".

My mother is Swiss and I was born before 1985. I live in the United States. I am in the process of completing the simplified naturalization application based on Article 58a above.

Thank you and best regards
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According to this :
http://www.parlament.ch/d/organe-mit...nung-spk-n.pdf

Differenzbereinugung is on 10th/ 11th October !
http://www.parlament.ch/d/mm/2013/Se...013-10-11.aspx

Now on 31st October it seems
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Greetings,

Please forgive my ignorance, but does anyone know if the discussion about amending the naturalization process would affect my application for facilitated naturalization as described in the following law:

“Child born before 1 July 1985 whose mother is Swiss (Article 58a)

Article 58a states:
"A child with foreign nationality who was born before 1 July 1985, and whose mother was a Swiss citizen before or at the time of the birth, can submit an application for simplified naturalization if he/she has close connections with Switzerland".

My mother is Swiss and I was born before 1985. I live in the United States. I am in the process of completing the simplified naturalization application based on Article 58a above.

Thank you and best regards
I don't know exactly, but I would think the changes proposed affect those people actually living/studying here in Switzerland and not necessarily foreign applications for facilitated naturalisation. Also I don't think it would affect those applications that are already being processed, only new ones if it becomes law.
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So if I'm reading this correctly, we're basically back to square one, and the back and forth between the state and the federal level is set to continue?
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So if I'm reading this correctly, we're basically back to square one, and the back and forth between the state and the federal level is set to continue?
This was reviewed by the commission only though (25 members); it is to be seen what will happen when the Nationalrat (200 members) does it's review in a few weeks though during the winter session of parliament.
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This was reviewed by the commission only though (25 members); it is to be seen what will happen when the Nationalrat (200 members) does it's review in a few weeks though during the winter session of parliament.
So, if I understand correctly, here's what seems to have happened so far (please correct me if I'm wrong):
  1. Nationalrat passed a draft version of the law containing certain provisions
  2. Council of States passed an alternative version of the law containing provisions contradicting those of the Nationalrat
  3. A Nationalrat commission recommended passing the law as it was proposed by the Nationalrat on all the substantive points of disagreement
  4. Now the Nationalrat has to decide whether to follow the recommendations of the commission (and send back to the Council of States the same law that they already rejected) or modify it?

In short, there doesn't seem to have much progress towards reconciliation, and the ball is now in the court of the Nationalrat to decide whether they want to stick to their guns or propose an amended version of the law against the recommendations of the commission?
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So, if I understand correctly, here's what seems to have happened so far (please correct me if I'm wrong):
  1. Nationalrat passed a draft version of the law containing certain provisions
  2. Council of States passed an alternative version of the law containing provisions contradicting those of the Nationalrat
  3. A Nationalrat commission recommended passing the law as it was proposed by the Nationalrat on all the substantive points of disagreement
  4. Now the Nationalrat has to decide whether to follow the recommendations of the commission (and send back to the Council of States the same law that they already rejected) or modify it?

In short, there doesn't seem to have much progress towards reconciliation, and the ball is now in the court of the Nationalrat to decide whether they want to stick to their guns or propose an amended version of the law against the recommendations of the commission?
In a nutshell, pretty much so. The commission proposes a recommendation after closed door discussions for the Nationalrat to take up. The Nationalrat will take this discussion up. They may follow the recommendation, they may not, we will see.

They will only discuss the differing points between both chambers. If the Nationalrat cannot align with the Ständerat, then this will be sent back to the Ständerat in the spring session of 2014 to see if a compromise can be reached there.

We can only tell after the Nationalrat takes this up either late this month or early next month. The commission, btw, is only a small representation of the Nationalrat (25 members, opposed to the 200 that will be voting on this); no guarantee that the recommendation from the commission will be followed.
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http://www.parlament.ch/sites/doc/Se...%20N%20DFI.pdf

In Nationalrat on Tuesday 26th November
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http://www.parlament.ch/d/sessionen/...rgerrecht.aspx

Some compromises in the Nationalrat today . Not sure what the next step is?!
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If I understood correctly, it's going back to the Ständerat:

http://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/sessi...-einbuergerung
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If I understood correctly, it's going back to the Ständerat:

http://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/sessi...-einbuergerung
What happens if Ständerat insists on 8 years requirement?
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

Looks like Nationalrat wants to stick to 10 years and I guess that is the way it is going to go. They want to make the integration conditions more stringent by asking "Gute Sprachkenntnisse in Wort und Schrift".
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Looks like Nationalrat wants to stick to 10 years and I guess that is the way it is going to go. They want to make the integration conditions more stringent by asking "Gute Sprachkenntnisse in Wort und Schrift".
Possibly, let's see what the Staenderat does in March. What is interesting is that the Nationalrat has extended a compromise on the double counting of teenage years by saying years spent between ages 5 and 15 can be doubled, something that they had rejected out of hand previously.

Perhaps they are now expected the Staenderat to compromise and agree on the 10 year requirement?
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Possibly, let's see what the Staenderat does in March. What is interesting is that the Nationalrat has extended a compromise on the double counting of teenage years by saying years spent between ages 5 and 15 can be doubled, something that they had rejected out of hand previously.

Perhaps they are now expected the Staenderat to compromise and agree on the 10 year requirement?
Out of curiosity, how would the law apply to people who already accrued the required years via double-counting under the old system? This seems to call for some limits on the retroactivity of the law - and I wonder whether such limits would also not extend to other provisions that are now changing (e.g., the eligibility of international civil servants to apply for citizenship). I wonder whether there would be a clause saying that these provisions only apply to foreign nationals entering the country for the first time since the date of the law coming into effect? That would seem to be the most fair way of addressing this - so I'm not whether, if such provisions were intended, they would normally be included into the draft version of the law, or are something that is typically added later on.

I take it also that there'll be no further discussion on this until March? Seems like the new law won't come into effect until June at the earliest (allowing for the three-month referendum waiting period).
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?

SVP/UDC says the current outcome is "negative" and threatens to launch a referendum/popular initiative:

www.rts.ch/info/suisse/5406158.html
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SVP/UDC says the current outcome is "negative" and threatens to launch a referendum/popular initiative:

www.rts.ch/info/suisse/5406158.html
It is still too early for this as the divergences in the law have not yet been eliminated between both chambers. I predict that the Conseil des Etats will settle for the 10 year option.
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