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B Permit to C - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau [language proficiency required]

Quick question, my husband (Canadian) and i (American) were notified that we can apply for our C permit as we have been here now for 5 years, however the letter from the Immigration office is requiring us to submit a Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau (schriftlich und mundlch) des Europaischen Sprachenportfolios (along with the other usual documentation).

Has anyone else had this requirement? I called the Kreisburo and she said she has never heard of it and I haven't heard of anyone else having to submit this zertifikat.

I am struggling to actually figure out from where or whom I can even obtain this certificate.

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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

I think this is the A2 Deutsch certificate - needed for non-EU if they are applying for the C permit before 10 years

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Quick question, my husband (Canadian) and i (American) were notified that we can apply for our C permit as we have been here now for 5 years, however the letter from the Immigration office is requiring us to submit a Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau (schriftlich und mundlch) des Europaischen Sprachenportfolios (along with the other usual documentation).

Has anyone else had this requirement? I called the Kreisburo and she said she has never heard of it and I haven't heard of anyone else having to submit this zertifikat.

I am struggling to actually figure out from where or whom I can even obtain this certificate.

Thank you.
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Old 22.02.2013, 15:16
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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

Thank you. Yes I understand it is the A2 certificate and my husband and I have already passed this level a few years ago. I contacted teh German school I attended and they said they don't issue such certificate as the immigration was requesting. So I am really stuck trying to figure out where I get this Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau (schriftlich und mundlch) des Europaischen Sprachenportfolios.
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Thank you. Yes I understand it is the A2 certificate and my husband and I have already passed this level a few years ago. I contacted teh German school I attended and they said they don't issue such certificate as the immigration was requesting. So I am really stuck trying to figure out where I get this Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau (schriftlich und mundlch) des Europaischen Sprachenportfolios.
Yes, I think you need to actually have taken and passed the A2 test (Goethe or TELC) to satisfy this requirement.
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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

Thanks! I did indeed pass the level A2 in German class in Zurich and in Germany (yes I took it twice) But netiehr of these schools actually issued the Goethe Certificate or anything official besides a printed certificate to make you feel good. Anyone know where I can such a test to obtain this official certificate?
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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

This might be a helpful thread Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA - I had thought that the minimum level for Zurich for an early C permit for non-EU was B1, however.

The city of Zurich is a TELC test site, so you could register through them (http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/...angebot.html); also some of the language schools (e.g., Berlitz) offer the test.
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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

I'm an American and had the same requirement to receive my C. I took the test here http://www.linguistik.zhaw.ch/de/lin...-institut.html


They only give the test every so often, so you need to plan ahead. In my case, the deadline the Kreisburo gave me to submit all documents was after I took the test, but before I received the Deutsch certificate. They held my application and I was without a permit until it came in the mail. I had to buy a 90chf re-entry visa to return from a holiday during this period of time.
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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

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Thanks! I did indeed pass the level A2 in German class in Zurich and in Germany (yes I took it twice) But netiehr of these schools actually issued the Goethe Certificate or anything official besides a printed certificate to make you feel good. Anyone know where I can such a test to obtain this official certificate?
I think the issue here is that you only have certificates of completion. Those are not the same as certificates recognizing competence. As you say, your current certificate is only to make you feel good.

You need to take an official test from an approved/recognized source and submit the certificate from that. Yes, that will cost you money. Since I'm not in Zürich I'll leave it to others to tell you about approved testing companies/sites. Good luck!
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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

http://www.klubschule.ch/Kurs/Deutsc...-E_639415_1080

Pls check above posted link !

I assume that there is an earliest date provided by Klubschule (9.3.2013 - in Aarau) - Please call them whether they have any free space
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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

Not that this will affect me for quite some time, but I'm just curious..

Is the C-permit, A2/B1 language requirement just for non-eu? Do EU and those married to a Swiss citizen also need this to obtain the c-permit?
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Not that this will affect me for quite some time, but I'm just curious..

Is the C-permit, A2/B1 language requirement just for non-eu? Do EU and those married to a Swiss citizen also need this to obtain the c-permit?
I am an EU citizen and I got my C permit without issues. There are lots of discriminations in Switzetland for non-EU, they will struggle much more and have less privileges unless married (and not even then). It's a mess. Funny things is that when I emphasize it into this forum I get bashed all over the way, and going to check from who, they're all EU claiming there are rules to respect, but for them it wasn't eventually that difficult to join this paradise and leaving their crappy countries.
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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

As far as I know that for Non-EU people must fulfill this requirement to obtain C permit !
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As far as I know that for Non-EU people must fulfill this requirement to obtain C permit !
Yes non-EU must... But do EU also have to do this?
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Yes non-EU must... But do EU also have to do this?
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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

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http://www.klubschule.ch/Kurs/Deutsc...-E_639415_1080

Pls check above posted link !

I assume that there is an earliest date provided by Klubschule (9.3.2013 - in Aarau) - Please call them whether they have any free space
Do you know if it is possible to sign up for the A2 certification test without taking the full language course? My wife has been working 40% for years here as a dental hygienist, speaking with patients in German and Swiss-German. So, she speaks German very well, but she doesn't have the time to take a language course. As part of our application for C permits, we have been asked to provide Zertifikat Start Deutsch 2 Niveau A2 (schriftlich und mündlich). I have my B1, and now we would like to know our options for my wife to meet the Migrationsamt requirements in the fastest way possible. Thanks in advance!

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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

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Do you know if it is possible to sign up for the A2 certification test without taking the full language course? My wife has been working 40% for years here as a dental hygienist, speaking with patients in German and Swiss-German. So, she speaks German very well, but she doesn't have the time to take a language course. As part of our application for C permits, we have been asked to provide Zertifikat Start Deutsch 2 Niveau A2 (schriftlich und mündlich). I have my B1, and now we would like to know our options for my wife to meet the Migrationsamt requirements in the fastest way possible. Thanks in advance!
You can do the test at Alemania in Zurich, it not listed on their website, but if you get their catalogue you'll find the application form towards the back of the book, it costs CHF180.
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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

You can do the test in ECAP also. Please check with them. It is available once a month but you need to register ahead.

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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

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I am an EU citizen and I got my C permit without issues. There are lots of discriminations in Switzetland for non-EU, they will struggle much more and have less privileges unless married (and not even then). It's a mess. Funny things is that when I emphasize it into this forum I get bashed all over the way, and going to check from who, they're all EU claiming there are rules to respect, but for them it wasn't eventually that difficult to join this paradise and leaving their crappy countries.
You are absolutely right. Those who bash you for saying the truth are not mentally different from those who make the rules. No matter how anyone tries, you cant kill an idea whose time has come. The time for globilization and integration has come. History is replete with the carcass of those who shut their eyes and deafened their ears to the wind and sound of time. Ask the Americans. A black man of Kenya parentage is their President. A lesson for the Swiss and so called Europeans who are so delusive and euphoric in xenophobia.
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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

If you go for a language test, and don't reach the level, will they award you a lower level? For example is it better to take the B1 test as you might get it and if not they'll give you A2.... or is it better to do A2 because if you go for B1 you may walk away with nothing?
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Re: B Permit to C Permit - Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau

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did you get the letter asking for language certificate in a registered post or normal mail?

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Quick question, my husband (Canadian) and i (American) were notified that we can apply for our C permit as we have been here now for 5 years, however the letter from the Immigration office is requiring us to submit a Zertifikat START DEUTSCH 2 in Niveau (schriftlich und mundlch) des Europaischen Sprachenportfolios (along with the other usual documentation).

Has anyone else had this requirement? I called the Kreisburo and she said she has never heard of it and I haven't heard of anyone else having to submit this zertifikat.

I am struggling to actually figure out from where or whom I can even obtain this certificate.

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