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My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

I really hope it's my last question here about permits.

I have a bit of a special case. Maybe you guys have some experience? How to avoid getting visa D if i can freely travel in Schengen?

I am non-EU with permanent residency in the Czech Republic and married to my Swiss husband. It means that i can enter Switzerland freely and stay here up to certain amount of days. Now, because i live(d) in CZ, consulate in Vienna is handling the paperwork. So after marriage i have applied for the permit (in person in Vienna). Today husband received a paper for me to come pick my visa D (EINREISEERLAUBNIS)

Is there a way to go straight to local Gemeinde (i guess it will be Zurich kreisburo?), pay and wait for my permit to arrive...without visiting Vienna? I don't need a visa to enter the country (i am in fact already in Zurich as i write). I am so not looking forward to pay a plane ticket and maybe hotel for something i don't really need

(husband is terrified to call yet again. Swiss citizens are not brave, facing local bureaucracy so any advice is appreciated )

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Old 01.05.2014, 02:05
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

Based on my experience it is only non-EU citizens who need a visa to enter Switzerland at all (i.e. a tourist visa) who also need to pick up the visa abroad.

Non-EU citizens who don't need a visa to enter Switzerland (as a tourist for a certain amount of time) can typically go pick up the permit directly at the local authorities.

However, even if your husband doesn't like it, it would definitely help to confirm this back with the authorities.
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Old 01.05.2014, 02:29
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

I think yours is indeed a special case, as you're not a "typical" non-EU with permission to enter Switzerland. (OP is Russian, in case others have not seen the other thread). Right now your permanent Czech residency functions like a Shengen visa for visits. However I believe when it comes to moving here and taking up residency under family reunification it is your citizenship that matters in combination with your marriage. The best way to be certain, even though your hubby is nervous, is to verify with the authorities that sent the letter.
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

Thanks Samaire13 and 3Wishes!

Actually, first time i came to CH was for work. That time i had to go to Vienna in person to pick my visa up. I complained a bit, but the company insisted i did "as requested" and they paid for the expenses. I went only once, got the sticker in my passport, thinking that maybe Gemeinde is checking during registration. No, they do not (at least not in Zug)! The only person who looked at my visa D, from the moment it was issued till the moment i got my permit, was me. They have copies of my Czech permit everywhere...why do they insist i collect a visa that is clearly for entering the country? I guess that is a rhetorical question.

Our landlord registered me here in Zurich before the approval came through and we received a strange letter, asking me to come register at kreisburo with my swiss ID - i have an unusual name and Swiss last name - so they thought i am local . Husband called and explained. They said once all is approved, i need to come with papers, money...and visum D. Hm...

The reason why hubby is reluctant to call - he is scared they record the calls and we will get punished for trying to bend the system Another, more real one, is that my case is indeed so special that they never know what to do. Whenever we need to clarify something it takes some time (usual answer - call back tomorrow, we need to discuss internally - write us email) and then is unclear anyway. I guess we will just go to kreisburo if noone here tells me it is somehow prosecuted!
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

Technically, yes, you need to go back to the correct visa office to pick up the right entry permit etc. if you are non-eu.

Whether they will make an exception is the business of the Swiss authorities.

Just be glad you don't come from New Zealand...

The D visa is an entry permit. Technically, you are not supposed to enter Switzerland as a 'tourist' whilst your residency permit is in progress.

The entry permit is only valid for a short time. On arrival, You declare that you are arriving for residency or work reasons, and show your visa.

Now, In this case, you can move quite freely between Austria and Switzerland. And as long as your Czech passport is in order, probably no one looks too closely at your entry and exit dates...unless there is passport control between Austria and Czech Republic?

Either way, you are theoretically using your rights as a 'tourist' right now, and are expected to leave, go pick up your visa, and come back as a 'resident'...

And yes, the best person to make enquiries if you want to avoid a short trip to Vienna, is your husband...

If it helps any, a friend just had to go to North America and back to pick up a renewed permit card...with about ten day's notice...
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The reason why hubby is reluctant to call - he is scared they record the calls and we will get punished for trying to bend the system
Awww, come on

I didn't realize you were Russian, now I'm not sure if you might need to go pick up your visa outside Switzerland after all. Hm… Your permit will be issued based on your nationality, not on your permanent residency status in another country, so this really is a special case...

The only way to find out for sure is indeed to call the authorities. Unless you fancy a trip to Vienna anyway Or as you say, just show up at the local authority and I'm sure they'll tell you.
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

Thats a thing, Swisspea, to whom am i showing the visa? At the airport there is no bordercontrol whatsoever and noone to show my passport to (it is Russian, btw, if i was a CZ citizen story would be different). In Zug migrations noone looked at it because they are not bordercontrol.

I understand my permit is based on nationality, thats why i had to apply for it outside of CH and not in, say, Zurich or Bern. Why do i need to collect an entry visa when i can freely enter is a mistery. Usually e.g. Russians living in Russia had to apply for the whole package: as a result they get their visa D they cant cross the border without, get to CH get married, register and wait until the card arrives. We first submitted paperwork to get married and i got no visa for that, clearly they understand i can travel whenever i want with just schengen residency. Then i went back to Vienna to apply for permit. Now i have to collect it. Ehmmmmmm. For the money spent i could go to the US! And I totally feel for people from US or NZ!

Btw, is it kreisburo one goes to register for B? Or am i confusing something?
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

hi Cheezecake,
i was in a similar situation, i had a multi entry marriage visa which was valid upto 2 months after my wedding. the authorities told us its okay to relocate to CH with marriage visa and apply dependent permit once i am there but we choose to apply D visa. It was expensive but i didn't mind to spend because we didn't want any complications in the process.

i was a lucky because i got D visa within a week after we applied for it so nothing to complain.
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

Hi zoko37!
Thanks for sharing!
You are indeed very cautious. I have a friend who got here on marriage visa, married, registered, got permit. At some point her visa expired but she was told it is completely OK to stay, when waiting for a dependant permit.

The reason i am complaining, i don't need a visa for travelling to CH, like you do. As i understand, non-EU nationals, living in the UK, need a Schengen visa. Just like i need a visa to travel to the UK, despite of the fact i live in the EU.

As swisspea explained "Either way, you are theoretically using your rights as a 'tourist' right now, and are expected to leave, go pick up your visa, and come back as a 'resident'...". I got it, but this thing should be waived for people with valid Schengen permit. I got through all the paperwork and additional background check. Now i just need my plastic card. At this point, what will this visa D sticker change?

Sorry guys for complaining, but i'd rather spend those CHF 300 on inviting you out than getting this plane ticket
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

Completely understand your point, there may be some hidden mystery behind it. as you say could use that hard earned money for something better.
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

Yeah that's why I'm saying - I had a couple of US citizens join our company, for instance, who were able to come to Switzerland visa-free and, once the permit was approved, could pick it up locally as they of course didn't need an entry visa. It doesn't work that way with other nationalities, obviously.

Why don't you call the AWA tomorrow? http://www.awa.zh.ch If they don't know, try the BFM https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/de/home.html And if that too doesn't help, call the embassy in Vienna (I know your hubby will not enjoy this ). But either of these should be able to help or rather if they can't, I don't know who can.

It could be that the permit will be transferred from Vienna to Bern for pick-up, though.
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

I suppose at this point, just head over to the Kreisbüro and try to pick up the permit. If they want to see the D-Visa then you can haggle over it or you'll have to go to Austria to get it. Honestly it might depend on the person behind the counter and whether they're in a good mood.

More phone calls probably won't change anything, and as you still have permanent Czech residency for the moment I don't think they can flat-out deport you or anything. I think the most they can require is for you to go get the visa. Keep us posted.
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

Thanks Samaire13! He will definitely pick up the phone again, as he recalls, Kreisburo told him i need to bring x,y,z and B permit(not visa) - they thought i want to move to Zurich from another canton. Thats why i just want to go there.

3Wishes, exactly, what can they do? we will go to register, hubby is a master of making those Puss-in-boots eyes. In case nothing works, we will apologise for not understanding what the paper says and call Vienna.

zoko37, what did you have to bring with you to register? marriage certificate/money/...pics, rent agreement? and i guess it is my local kreisburo 4, not migrations office?
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

Update:

Husband called (i guess migrations). At first he was told i need to go to Vienna as this is the rule. But he explained the situation (i don't need visas, it's expensive etc). So they discussed and said ok, i can just come pick it up in Zurich As with everything in Switzerland, you have to be politely-persistent.

It is, however, not kreisburo we need to visit but Einwohnerkontrolle. I thought it is the same but i guess i was wrong. I have to bring:

the paper that i've received (invitation to pick up visa D "einreiseerlaubnis")
marriage certificate
passport
husband, alive in good health

They also mentioned i will get my permit straight away and don't have to wait for it. No idea what this means. I thought paper permits are not issued anymore and plastic cards take 10 days to produce. Next feedback - Monday
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Again, hoping it helps yet another frustrated non-EU. It is possible! CHF 300 saved

Went to our Kreisburo. Lady first checked my passport and asked where the visa is. We have explained that "migrations allowed us to skip this step". Lady nodded and proceeded. Here the magic word is "migrations", once mentioned, no additional questions are asked. And obviously knowledge of German; when face-to-face with authorities, i handle stuff myself first, hubby steps in only when there is a complicated case and i can't express myself. After 2 years here i can say German makes a difference (ehm, not in French-speaking canton).

"Getting permit straight away" - i received a sort of paper confirmation and was scheduled for biometrics later (to receive plastic card). Apparently with this paper is valid for opening bank account or getting phone contract etc. Very surprised - in Zug there was not such thing.
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Re: My permit is approved. Can I go to local Gemeinde without picking up my VISA D?

hi cheezecake, sorry for late reply , i am pretty sure you must have found this out by now. we submitted below ,

marriage certificate
rental agreement
3 months payslip
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Husband called (i guess migrations). At first he was told i need to go to Vienna as this is the rule. But he explained the situation (i don't need visas, it's expensive etc). So they discussed and said ok, i can just come pick it up in Zurich As with everything in Switzerland, you have to be politely-persistent.

It is, however, not kreisburo we need to visit but Einwohnerkontrolle. I thought it is the same but i guess i was wrong. I have to bring:

the paper that i've received (invitation to pick up visa D "einreiseerlaubnis")
marriage certificate
passport
husband, alive in good health

They also mentioned i will get my permit straight away and don't have to wait for it. No idea what this means. I thought paper permits are not issued anymore and plastic cards take 10 days to produce. Next feedback - Monday
I am in the same situation. I was wondering if they gave you some sort of paper which said you could pick it up locally. Otherwise, I will have to go out of Switzerland and pick up the visa.
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I am in the same situation. I was wondering if they gave you some sort of paper which said you could pick it up locally. Otherwise, I will have to go out of Switzerland and pick up the visa.
I received a paper that said "pick up at Vienna consulate" thats why i was confused and opened the thread

Following what we did, I advise the following: call migrations, explain situation (you are in CH on Schengen visa, expensive to go back to home country, blah blah). Defo do this in German, ideally ask a Swiss German person to call them.

Or take your luck - go to your kreisburo with docs and that paper. They will probably ask where the visa is - reply that migrations said ok to just come

I can't promise anything, i have permanent residency in Schengen country (like C permit), maybe they are picky about visas, issued by other country? Who knows, but it 100% worths to call/go to kreisburo. If they ask you to go get it outside...at least you tried!
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hi cheezecake, sorry for late reply , i am pretty sure you must have found this out by now. we submitted below ,

marriage certificate
rental agreement
3 months payslip
bank statements
passport
2 photos

2 photos? Ehm, i didn't provide any, i am going to get the plastic (biometric) card
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I received a paper that said "pick up at Vienna consulate" thats why i was confused and opened the thread

Following what we did, I advise the following: call migrations, explain situation (you are in CH on Schengen visa, expensive to go back to home country, blah blah). Defo do this in German, ideally ask a Swiss German person to call them.

Or take your luck - go to your kreisburo with docs and that paper. They will probably ask where the visa is - reply that migrations said ok to just come

I can't promise anything, i have permanent residency in Schengen country (like C permit), maybe they are picky about visas, issued by other country? Who knows, but it 100% worths to call/go to kreisburo. If they ask you to go get it outside...at least you tried!
I did call the Kreisburo and they have sent the visa to Singapore I definitely cannot travel that much

I am going to try the migration said so thing. If it works out, a beer for you is definitely in the works
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