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marriage legalisation and hyphenated last name.

Hi all, I have 2 issues and hope to hear from others who have gone through the process:

1. I am singaporean and my husband is Swiss and we were married in singapore. Now that we are living in Switzerland, we need to get our marriages legalised there before we can celebrate our church wedding in Switzerland. We cannot seem to get it legalised till I am registered in Switzerland for my permit b. Doesn't Switzerland recognise our marriage regardless of whether I'm living there or not? Can't I celebtate my burn wedding there (to a Swiss) if I weren't living there permanantly?

When we got married I'm singapore (civil) my husband wasn't required to be a resident. I would think it would be similar over in Switzerland.

2. Our son was born in singapore and has a hyphenated last name. The Swiss are now saying he may not be able yo be registered with the last name he has on his passport and birth certificate. How can we try to explain that we do not wwant my son to have different last names depending on which country he is in?

Also, my husband and one have both gotten a deed poll in singapore after our marriage to have hyphenated last names which we want for our family. This is ok for me as the Swiss recognise my deed poll and allow for me to have our hyphenated last name. But for my husband they need to see if it can be processed.

Thanks for any advise
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1. I am singaporean and my husband is Swiss and we were married in singapore. Now that we are living in Switzerland, we need to get our marriages legalised there before we can celebrate our church wedding in Switzerland. We cannot seem to get it legalised till I am registered in Switzerland for my permit b. Doesn't Switzerland recognise our marriage regardless of whether I'm living there or not?
Yours, yes.

Your husband, perhaps not.

When I married my first wife in the US while on vacation, mine was recognized immediately we returned, but for her (Swiss) it took six months, so for that time I was married and she not! (hers was later back-dated once they recognized it).

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2. Our son was born in singapore and has a hyphenated last name. The Swiss are now saying he may not be able yo be registered with the last name he has on his passport and birth certificate. How can we try to explain that we do not want my son to have different last names depending on which country he is in?
In Switzerland, only one last name is allowed for children, and it must be that of one of the parents, not a combination.

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Re: marriage legalisation and hyphenated last name.

I can't help with the child's name issue, but this site may help with getting your marriage recognized and other paperwork. Good luck.

http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/...gbi/mrrge.html
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Re: marriage legalisation and hyphenated last name.

My kids have different surnames on their Swiss and Portuguese IDs. From the moment one of the parent is Swiss, a hyphenated surname or a double one is not possible. There's no way around it.
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Re: marriage legalisation and hyphenated last name.

Thanks for that.

I understand that a child may only have either parents last name. But if both parents or one of them legally has a hyphenated last name, what happens then? Simply drop half of it?
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Yes.
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Re: marriage legalisation and hyphenated last name.

The law was changed recently, so be careful about advice you might receive.

As far as I know at the major events, marriage & birth you as a wife can now
choose which name to take, also your husband can take your name.
Check it out before you get too excited,
the local Office de l'Etat civil / Standsamt office are the authority.

Office de l'Etat civil
Administration communale
rue du 24 Septembre 3,
2800 Delémont
Phone *032 420 54 50

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https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/prd/en/...standsamt.html

https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/zivilstandsamt

https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/prd/de/...aenderung.html
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The law was changed recently, so be careful about advice you might receive.

As far as I know at the major events, marriage & birth you as a wife can now
choose which name to take, also your husband can take your name.
Not so recently. When my wife and I married three years ago we were given those options, as well as the hyphenated option.

BUT (there's always a BUT), any children get only one name, and NOT hyphenated.

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Not so recently. When my wife and I married three years ago we were given those options, as well as the hyphenated option.

BUT (there's always a BUT), any children get only one name, and NOT hyphenated.

Tom
With the new law, the hyphenated option is not allowed even for the spouses. I know, as I got married 6 weeks ago!

Kids can bear:
- the maiden name of the mother
- the maiden name of the father
- all kids from the same set of parents must share the same surname

But you can bend the rule a little: while officially, on the official records (etat civil) only one name is allowed, you can chose to have the hyphenated surname on your ID papers, which is what I did. But this is possible only for the spouse, not for the kids. It is called a 'nom d'alliance' in French.

As I have kids from two different fathers, having an hyphenated surname was my only option to bear the surname of all my kids, which was important to me (and to the kids as well. My son from a first union was not taking it well that I could not share his surname anymore).
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you can chose to have the hyphenated surname on your ID papers, which is what I did
That's what I meant.

Regarding kids, I have two sets of step kids plus two kids, so three last names!

Meanwhile, my wife's sister has two kids, each with a different last name and different to her own!

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Re: marriage legalisation and hyphenated last name.

Just to add for anyone new, last year we did get my son's official swiss documents with hyphenated surnames by showing that his "last name" has been registered overseas (in his foreign birth certificate/passport) as hyphenated. our consulate in geneva did that and the canton where our family is registered accepted it so we all get to keep our hyphenated family name!
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Re: marriage legalisation and hyphenated last name.

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last year we did get my son's official swiss documents with hyphenated surnames by showing that his "last name" has been registered overseas (in his foreign birth certificate/passport) as hyphenated
My wife and son are Swiss and bear her surname. We were contemplating changing to a unified compound name in the US where we were married, but sounds like that would only allow us to have hyphenated names in our passports and not our son's.

What if I legally changed my name to our combined last names and they change last names to mine upon registering marriage in Switzerland? Or stated hypothetically, if my name before marriage happened to be '1st name-2nd name', and I married a woman with '1st name' as surname, would Switzerland stop us from all taking the husband's last name as the common family name? I mean that's traditional right?
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My wife and son are Swiss and bear her surname. We were contemplating changing to a unified compound name in the US where we were married, but sounds like that would only allow us to have hyphenated names in our passports and not our son's.

What if I legally changed my name to our combined last names and they change last names to mine upon registering marriage in Switzerland? Or stated hypothetically, if my name before marriage happened to be '1st name-2nd name', and I married a woman with '1st name' as surname, would Switzerland stop us from all taking the husband's last name as the common family name? I mean that's traditional right?
https://www.ch.ch/en/married-name/
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Interesting! (I have 3 surnames )
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Good luck squeezing those into your passport!

I always feel sorry for those kids who's parents lumbered them with an entire football team's worth of first names or similar. Did they ever consider the problems they were going to give their kids when they had to fill in forms that required their full names? That's even worse than being labelled something like Fifi Trixibell.
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Re: marriage legalisation and hyphenated last name.

Sorry, but I don't think the link clarifies the issue at all. It's clear if A wants to marry B, the law wants the union to produce A or B but not AB/BA. But if AB pre-exists the marriage and marries C, the same law should produce AB or C (not A or C; B or C). This is my question. The OP whom I quote seems to show a similar example.
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Not so recently. When my wife and I married three years ago we were given those options, as well as the hyphenated option.
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Yep, so was I and I took it. It's in my passport.
Now they argue this again - although it's fine for Calmy-Rey, Widmer-Schlumpf etc
Next year I have to renew my passport and I'll put up a fight as it's gonna be real awkward if I have to settle for my ex-husbands name!

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With the new law, the hyphenated option is not allowed even for the spouses. I know, as I got married 6 weeks ago!
Ecactly. And I wonder if they're gonna apply that new law to me as well.
Does anyone know?
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Yep, so was I and I took it. It's in my passport.
Now they argue this again - although it's fine for Calmy-Rey, Widmer-Schlumpf etc
Next year I have to renew my passport and I'll put up a fight as it's gonna be real awkward if I have to settle for my ex-husbands name!


Ecactly. And I wonder if they're gonna apply that new law to me as well.
Does anyone know?
It's not retroactive, so you're safe.

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