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Old 11.10.2014, 16:18
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Edot, are you married to a Swiss citizen, by chance? I am, and I had to provide my birth certificate and marriage license/certificate (less than 6 months old) and register the marriage here. We got married in the States, but still had to do some paperwork even though I arrived here married.

I think NaT's suggestion of the naturalization certificate is a good one. Good luck, OP!
Yeah, this is the problem, marrying a Swiss citizen seems to be difficult if one is technically not born. I suppose we can wait for the world order to change.

I'll check with the Canadian embassy on Tuesday... thing is, the naturalisation certificate can only be replaced if lost or stolen and then has be reported to police. I had my wallet stolen and I remember doing this. I had to make a full police report. When all my cards were returned in the mail, I had to make another report to police and return the extra card. If the documents have to be less than 6 months old... Yeah, this is going to be a pain.

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Old 11.10.2014, 16:34
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Re: Getting married without a birth certificate

Once married to a Swiss, you aumatically become a citizen of his family's Heimatsort (Commune d'origine) and registered there, and in his family book. My OH is British (originally South African) and he had to give his Birth certificate, etc, for this purpose. But really, I am sure your Embassy have gone through all this before- and otherwise your husband will have to take your case up with his Heimatsort, etc. He should be dealing with this.
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Old 11.10.2014, 16:46
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Once married to a Swiss, you aumatically become a citizen of his family's Heimatsort (Commune d'origine) and registered there, and in his family book...
That's kind of cool. I didn't know I'm a citizen of my hubby's Heimatort even though not yet eligible for the red passport. I know I am in the family book.
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Re: Getting married without a birth certificate

If and when you apply for the little red book- then it will be for there, not where you live. OH and I have only visited my Commune d'origine once- as my family moved 3 generations ago, to the Commune where I was born and bred- but we are resident of another Commune. When we went there a few years back, we went to the local Café and asked the owner, are there still people of 'xyz' name here - he laughed and pointed at a few people and said, him,. him, them and her...oh, and him over there.

Before somebody mentions in-breeding- they might be, but not our wing of the family.... who've spread all over the world in the 19C and 20C- mainly ther USA and Australia- where ancestors started the vineyards in Geelong and Victoriain the 1840s- 1 great uncle was a cowboy in New Mexico and was my hero as a kid.
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Re: Getting married without a birth certificate

I am a Canadian Citizen born abroad as well, how likely is it for the embassy to accept an original Translated Birth Certificate.
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Old 04.12.2014, 11:08
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Re: Getting married without a birth certificate

Have you approached the United Nations for help in getting a birth certificate?

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/search?page=search&query=Birth+certificate&x=11&y= 10

They are in Geneva http://www.unhcr.org/pages/4a324fcc6.html
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Once married to a Swiss, you aumatically become a citizen of his family's Heimatsort (Commune d'origine) and registered there, and in his family book. My OH is British (originally South African) and he had to give his Birth certificate, etc, for this purpose. But really, I am sure your Embassy have gone through all this before- and otherwise your husband will have to take your case up with his Heimatsort, etc. He should be dealing with this.
I think that you are not automatically a citizen of the commune d'origine, but if one day you are naturalized through the facilitated track, your will acquire the citizenship (droit de cité) of your spouse's commune d'origine, whereas if you go through the regular naturalization track, you will become citizen of your current commune of residence.

PS. what is the family book? Is it this thing?
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Re: Getting married without a birth certificate

Apparently the 'livret de famille' has been phased out- sorry. Yes, my OH acquired Swiss nationality via marriage to me, same for my daughters and grand-children, so acquired my 'Commune d'Origine' although they've never visited there.
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Yes, my OH acquired Swiss nationality via marriage to me, same for my daughters and grand-children, so acquired my 'Commune d'Origine' although they've never visited there.
... but not 'automatically', right? I assume from things you've said before he still had to wait a few years, go through a naturalization process.

Citizenship did use to be extended automatically, to women who married Swiss men - but as far as I know it was never the other way around.
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Apparently the 'livret de famille' has been phased out- sorry. Yes, my OH acquired Swiss nationality via marriage to me, same for my daughters and grand-children, so acquired my 'Commune d'Origine' although they've never visited there.
Yeah, it is quite interesting. My OH's "commune d'origine" is very far in the north of Switzerland. Since his grand-father no one in the family lives there or even visited there or even speaks the language there.

My OH lives in VS all his life and considers him absolutely valaisain. I often make joke of him in saying that officially he is not at all valaisain but a Swiss German who does not speak Swiss German. He is so damaged by my joke and he then asked the authorities in Valais to naturalize him. It is possible for a Swiss to change the commune d'origine by a cantonal naturalization. Each canton has its own requirement (e.g. duration of residence...) but generally the requirement to naturalize a Swiss from another canton is looser than naturalizing a foreigner. So we will see when he can officially become valaisain!

However, if one day I go through naturalization I have only the choice of regular track, so hopefully I won't be a citizen of a commune and canton completely unknown to me!
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Edot, are you married to a Swiss citizen, by chance? I am, and I had to provide my birth certificate and marriage license/certificate (less than 6 months old) and register the marriage here. We got married in the States, but still had to do some paperwork even though I arrived here married.



I think NaT's suggestion of the naturalization certificate is a good one. Good luck, OP!

Sorry about not responding. Yeah, my comment was irrelevant - husband is Dutch-US and I am US, married in the Netherlands. But you remind me.... Need to look for naturalization certificate of husband!
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could you get married in another country? for example, you don't need a birth certificate in italy.
Practically this is an excellent work-around. Switzerland automatically recognises marriages that have taken place in some countries (Italy for sure, but also Austria and Germany ... I believe). Italy is more romantic.
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