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Old 21.03.2015, 12:09
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naturalization test in Geneva

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I'd like to ask regarding the experience of those who passed naturalization test - history/politics/geography/etc. in Geneva. what kind of questions are there? are they similar to the quiz shared by OCP?

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Old 21.03.2015, 14:48
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Length of time for Federal level approval? (Naturalisation in Geneva)

Hi everyone. I am wondering how long it takes, on average, for the federal level to approve a naturalisation application. My application was recently sent off from the OCP to the Federal migration office for the federal stage, roughly around the middle of February. I was told that it would be a fairly long wait (4-6 months). Is this time duration common with other peoples' experiences?
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Re: Naturalisation procedure in Geneva / federal authorization from Bern?

My dossier was sent to the Federal authorities in October and I received approval in February so within the 4-6 months time frame. What I don't know is what happens at the communal level as the Ville de Genève has received in the last 6 months a large number of dossiers from the OCP for candidates that passed their screen based largely on the complementary (additional) form that was required of all candidates around August 2014. I had a phone interview with OCP prior to passing the cantonal level but not sure what is going on at the communal level. Anyone have any experience there?
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Re: Naturalisation procedure in Geneva / federal authorization from Bern?

Just an update from me, my daughter finally received the cantonal authorization a couple of weeks ago from Geneva, so that’s all 3, federal, local, and cantonal she’s almost Swiss or so I thought.
Unfortunately during the 3 years it has taken to process her naturalisation she has reached the age of 18, so there’s now an extra step where she needs a naturalisation ceremony.
I had to pay the 380F cost and wait 2 weeks before the Chancellerie would even speak to me about it, and now that they will it turns out that there’s a 6 month waiting list to to apply for a ceremony, they will write to her in October they reckon, she can then book a ceremony at some date in the future after that.
It’s a long haul this naturalization. I was thinking of moving house this summer as well.
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Just an update from me, my daughter finally received the cantonal authorization a couple of weeks ago from Geneva, so that’s all 3, federal, local, and cantonal she’s almost Swiss or so I thought.
Unfortunately during the 3 years it has taken to process her naturalisation she has reached the age of 18, so there’s now an extra step where she needs a naturalisation ceremony.
I had to pay the 380F cost and wait 2 weeks before the Chancellerie would even speak to me about it, and now that they will it turns out that there’s a 6 month waiting list to to apply for a ceremony, they will write to her in October they reckon, she can then book a ceremony at some date in the future after that.
It’s a long haul this naturalization. I was thinking of moving house this summer as well.
Hey!

I am happy that the procedure is over, but 6 months of waiting for the ceremony is somewhat crazy!

I have got even more crazy news yesterday: i have posted another thread about it, since me and my lawyer are figuring out what to do now: they have suspended my naturalisation since my permit B expired, although I have 3 decisions and the file was supposed to go to Conseil des Etats yesterday.

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Hi everyone. I am wondering how long it takes, on average, for the federal level to approve a naturalisation application. My application was recently sent off from the OCP to the Federal migration office for the federal stage, roughly around the middle of February. I was told that it would be a fairly long wait (4-6 months). Is this time duration common with other peoples' experiences?
Hey,

yes, 4-6 months is very common… I have been waiting for 4 months, however, I wrote them an e-mail saying to update me on the status of federal authorisation first time after 2 months of waiting, and then on the 4th month. first time they answered me that I need to be patient, second time as well, but after their second reply, they e-mailed me again a day after and said that they have sent federal authorisation a day before to me and authorities in Geneva.

Hope this helps!

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Re: Naturalisation procedure in Geneva / federal authorization from Bern?

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I used a lawyer for two things: to ask what happens if I had couple of poursuites and when I received that questionnaire of 10 pages because i did not have any interview! The rest of the procedure was "completed" by myself, lawyer was never mentioned in my application. It went really fast for me, I applied in March 2014 and got the communal approval in October 2014, exactly at the same time the application went to Bern for Federal authorisation.

I heard many times that lawyers cannot do anything to speed up the naturalization process, some people even say that lawyers can make things worse as authorities "don't like to be disturbed by lawyers". Well, this example shows very clearly that money you pay to lawyer magically shortens 3-4 years process to 8 months. I wonder what really happens behind of scene and how much of your money ends up in naturalization office employee pocket. Looks like Switzerland becoming one of many countries where money can bend the law ;( Or maybe it has always been like this?
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Re: Naturalisation procedure in Geneva / federal authorization from Bern?

My understanding is that a lawyer can do little to speed up the process, this coming from 2 Swiss lawyers in my extended family. Where a lawyer can be helpful is to find a way to deal with obstacles in the process and to make sure the paperwork is completed at the right standard. So far, I haven't needed one but if I ran into a situation like Jacky's I wouldn't hesitate.
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I heard many times that lawyers cannot do anything to speed up the naturalization process, some people even say that lawyers can make things worse as authorities "don't like to be disturbed by lawyers". Well, this example shows very clearly that money you pay to lawyer magically shortens 3-4 years process to 8 months. I wonder what really happens behind of scene and how much of your money ends up in naturalization office employee pocket. Looks like Switzerland becoming one of many countries where money can bend the law ;( Or maybe it has always been like this?
Hey!

I have not used the lawyer to apply, and it took just one year to get all three decisions, as i said before - all three decisions were taken and basically I was supposed to go to swearing ceremony if they wouldn't have looked at my permit which is in renewal right now… Really not my fault that OCP is renewing it since August 2014 and still no news… Obviously, the lawyer is dealing with this situation now, because it is extraordinary and very unfair
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Re: Naturalisation procedure in Geneva / federal authorization from Bern?

I don't think I've heard of lawyers being useful when it comes to fast tracking applications. It might happen in a few isolated cases, but the majority of people are still subject to the same lengthy process.

What I'm curious about is what happens when you email or call up people at the Federal Migration Office or at any other of the other relevant places. From what has been said so far, it might have actually sped up the process, but I've heard of rumors where people who've called have had their applications shifted to the bottom of the pile. Do any of you guys think that is true? I've paranoid about having my application floating in bureaucratic limbo and am tempted to give them a call about the application. Is this a good idea?
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Re: Naturalisation procedure in Geneva / federal authorization from Bern?

Hi!

Well, I see the origin of your fears, but I have e-mailed them twice. First time they told me to be patient, and second time as well. However, after the second time, I got an e-mail from them that the authorization is ready. I think it is worth a try, but your letter has to be quite polite and well-written.

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I don't think I've heard of lawyers being useful when it comes to fast tracking applications. It might happen in a few isolated cases, but the majority of people are still subject to the same lengthy process.

What I'm curious about is what happens when you email or call up people at the Federal Migration Office or at any other of the other relevant places. From what has been said so far, it might have actually sped up the process, but I've heard of rumors where people who've called have had their applications shifted to the bottom of the pile. Do any of you guys think that is true? I've paranoid about having my application floating in bureaucratic limbo and am tempted to give them a call about the application. Is this a good idea?
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Old 24.04.2015, 16:12
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Re: Naturalisation procedure in Geneva / federal authorization from Bern?

Jacky, I'd personally take a different approach. AFAIK, you must be living here on a valid permit in order to complete this type of naturalization. Period. So instead of fighting with the naturalization folks to get around the rule, get the lawyer on the case with the canton to get the permit issued pronto. Worth a shot, anyway. Good luck.
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Jacky, I'd personally take a different approach. AFAIK, you must be living here on a valid permit in order to complete this type of naturalization. Period. So instead of fighting with the naturalization folks to get around the rule, get the lawyer on the case with the canton to get the permit issued pronto. Worth a shot, anyway. Good luck.
Thanks! I agree with you about being careful with naturalisation department, that is why we are pushing both sides. What I am trying to say is that in case the permit situation goes bad and the permit is not issued until June, then it will not be issued at all and I have no possibility to extend it further. In this case, I will have to turn to naturalization because they have to understand that it is very difficult to get a working permit for a Russian and I can no longer study (they told me that already). That is why it gets very unfair, I will have to leave Switzerland without Swiss passport, although naturalisation procedure has 3 decisions and is completed.
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