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Old 06.01.2015, 22:11
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Hi There. Help with a question.

Hello, I am new here to the Forum. Have read a bunch of posts here and I think it is fantastic how easy it is to find answers to rather odd questions about life here. A very supportive group, I must admit.

I have been in Zürich canton just around 3 years now. Came here for a vist 4 years back and met a great guy and we connected and decided to marry. So, I moved here to be with him.

The problem is that I come from a Muslim country, where the rules are intense considering that I am in a Eingetragenerpartnerschaft [registered partnership]. And my partner is Swiss.

All is good, but now my passport is expiring and I can not get the Swiss one till another 2 years, or at least to start to apply for it in another 2 years.

I do not want to risk going back to my country to renew my passport in the mean time, as my permit states that I am here for Familennachzug and if I try to enter back to Switzerland, sure I will have a vaild permit, hence visa, but they might ask at immigration there, that my permit states that I am here with family, so I am married, and I might be asked to present marriage documents, as that is very normal to ask there.

And there will be the problem as I could not produce any documents to the muslim immigration officer showing him that I am married to a man. That would mean arrest or worse.

I printed out my embassy's passport renewal page and they ask me to fill in the documet, which also asks if I am married. And I can not place that. If I do, they might ask for my husbands information to confirm.

Considering in their eyes I am not married, but if I do put single down there, then it would be liying. And I wonder how much hell that might raise.

Plus, they ask me to send my permit and the original one for that to renew my passport. I was surprised. As, one needs to have their permit on them at all times here. And if I do send that to them, and tick single in my documents, then they might just look at the permit and Familiennachzug information there and know that I lied on my paper.

Could anyone guide me here please? I do not want to sit here with an expired passport for 3 years plus. Maybe some other guys here in an Eingetragnerpartnerschaft who come from Muslim countries.

I would appreciate any helpful information. Thank you very much and wishing you all a very good evening.

A.

Last edited by 3Wishes; 06.01.2015 at 22:29. Reason: added translation for our members that don't speak German
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Old 06.01.2015, 23:08
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I am also guessing your 'home country' also does not accept/recognise dual citizenship, so you could become 'stateless' or meet refugee criteria (persecution) ...

Perhaps there is a refugee/homosexual rights lawyer that can assist you with a suggested action plan?

I suspect that it may be correct that if your home country does not recognise non-religious marriage anyway, let alone gay marriage, then you may be correct in saying that you are 'not married' from their point of view?

do you intend ever to travel back to your home country and risk persecution/jail etc?

My home country did not ask for a copy of my swiss permit to renew the passports. Does your home country have a swiss-based embassy? Perhaps you can contact them to enquire what is needed, without revealing your situation, but to query whether they do actually need a copy of your residency documents?

Ps. I wonder if it is that you are not 'married'... But rather you are in a 'registered partnership'... So that is the easy question... The harder question is whether you can get this sorted out without revealing your relationship status...

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Old 06.01.2015, 23:14
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Re: Hi There. Help with a question.

i would not send your permit. I do not understand why they would need this!
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Re: Hi There. Help with a question.

Hi. My country, does allow dual citizenship and has a swiss embassy And I do plan to travel back but only after I have the citizenship here as then I would not be within their legal system then as I would not retain my old citizenship, inorder to not going through this issue again.

My problem right now is just the renewal of my passport. And that will be done via the embassy here in berne. The problem still is the passport application. Which asks for marital status and copy or original permit - either way they get the info of my Familiennachzug. So they would know that i am married here. And that is the tricky part .
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Re: Hi There. Help with a question.

OP, maybe you should tell us your home country? As this is a very country-specific case and one of the EF members coming from the same country as you are may advise you on this matter.
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Old 07.01.2015, 10:14
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Re: Hi There. Help with a question.

You can go to your Gemeinde and ask for a "Bestätigung" or certificate that you live here in your village. It costs about SFr 20,--

Offer this to your embassy and apply for your new passport. Why should they ask for, or need, more information?
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You can go to your Gemeinde and ask for a "Bestätigung" or certificate that you live here in your village. It costs about SFr 20,--

Offer this to your embassy and apply for your new passport. Why should they ask for, or need, more information?
I have a Wohnsitzbestätigung, but that is not a requirement. Passport form, permit and particulars, plus fee and old passport.
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