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Re: work permit in CH for American citizens

Ultimately, all you can do is try.

The more unique the position that you are applying for is, the more likely the employer will be able to make a non-EU hire. There are also cases of employers finding someone they want who is non-EU and then writing the job description in such a way so that there will be very few local people who qualify. It happens. Buy you would have to be special. Really, really special.

I would never suggest that someone give up their life in the U.S. to come here and try to find a job. On the other hand, if you are here already here is really no harm in trying.
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I am on a L Permit and in my experience I had to return to (my home country) to apply for a work/residence permit.

I do not think it is so easy to apply for it when you are already in Switzerland unless you have already signed a contract with your 'potential employer'

There is a lot of administration/costs that are connected to working permits for employers and they tend to avoid employing non EU residents, unless the framework is international trade and English is a requirement.

Even if a Non-EU resident opens their own company in Switzerland, in my understanding, they would also not be able to get a work permit for it, same goes for buying property here.... you can own many houses... but you may only holiday here for the specified lengths of time. you wouldn't get a residence permit either. (being married is always a different story)

I have been living here for 3 years and they refuse give me a work permit.
I have a permit based on 'living with a life partner' and the only reason I can stay here is because he has signed surety for me. I also have a university degree with a few years experience as a product developer, although failed to get any contract.

Good luck. They are tough to crack.

oh... don't underestimate the amount of Non EU employees & residents in Switzerland having dual citizenship.

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Re: work permit in CH for American citizens

My two cents...

OP will not work in CH without leaving CH. Period.
If you do not have the right papers, in the right order, with the right sponsor...the chances of employment on your own is dreadfully now if not impossible.

Unless of course you are published, were at the top of your class, and are "known" in your community (of work). Assume you are all of those things...next hurdle is getting though the HR departments as a third state citizen. Oh nelly...

To OP:
Your first hurdle is to have a Schengen D Visa in your passport.
If you dont have this...you don't work as you are not officially here. Without a sponsor, you don't get a visa. Once you get a sponsor or potential sponsor...then you have a chance. But that would assume you made a contact and they will hire you. As you have not immediate status now...you wont even get an interview. Also, the D visa can only be received in your home country.

Assume you do get a visa...then...the next hurdle is the permit. Alone without a sponsor...you will not get one. Your D visa will expire and you'll have to shove off again.

The list goes on and on.

Language skills or not...papers and administration are the limiting factors. Many people have shared their opinion and were not pulling any punches. Read what they say carefully.

If what you want is to truly work in Switzerland...make a tangible plan that works within the constraints to do so.
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It's never been a problem for me.

Word of advice to fellow American's wanting to move to Europe:
Don't waste your time dealing with Europeans that don't believe that they are inferior to us.
Surely you didn't mean that? So you're saying Europeans should believe themselves inferior to Americans? As a European, I wouldn't think us superior to Americans, but I certainly wouldn't think us inferior either. o_O
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Re: work permit in CH for American citizens

Read thru the thread and found a lot of info quite useful, so thanks for that....

I (UK citizen) moved to Zurich with my (US citizen) fiancé at the start of the year and plan A, now that we're here, is to get her a job while she's under the 3-month tourist thingy.

We do have a plan B (we're currently applying for a stay permit via family reunification) and failing that, a plan C (filing the Preparation for Marriage which gives her a 6-month stay permit); however, I really want to exhaust plan A first.

Like I say, I have read thru the thread and it seems to be more focused on the extent of the problem rather than offering up viable solutions. Since my fiancé is already here, she cannot tfr with a company and so the only option (besides us expediting the wedding) is to find a company prepared to sponsor her.

Academically, she has two bachelor degrees and a masters
Experience-wise, she has Private Banking experience
She's also fluent in English and Spanish

Can anyone provide any tips on how to find roles that might warrant a company undertaking the headache of sponsoring a non-EU candidate? e.g. specific companies? specific roles? networking events? ANYTHING!!!

Much appreciated, thanks.
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Read thru the thread and found a lot of info quite useful, so thanks for that....

I (UK citizen) moved to Zurich with my (US citizen) fiancé at the start of the year and plan A, now that we're here, is to get her a job while she's under the 3-month tourist thingy.

We do have a plan B (we're currently applying for a stay permit via family reunification) and failing that, a plan C (filing the Preparation for Marriage which gives her a 6-month stay permit); however, I really want to exhaust plan A first.

Like I say, I have read thru the thread and it seems to be more focused on the extent of the problem rather than offering up viable solutions. Since my fiancé is already here, she cannot tfr with a company and so the only option (besides us expediting the wedding) is to find a company prepared to sponsor her.

Academically, she has two bachelor degrees and a masters
Experience-wise, she has Private Banking experience
She's also fluent in English and Spanish

Can anyone provide any tips on how to find roles that might warrant a company undertaking the headache of sponsoring a non-EU candidate? e.g. specific companies? specific roles? networking events? ANYTHING!!!

Much appreciated, thanks.
Americans and banking no longer really work in Switzerland.....
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Americans and banking no longer really work in Switzerland.....
Agree. Banks won't want any American in a position where they might have signing rights on an account because it would have to be reported on a FBAR.

What field are her degrees in? And how many years of experience? People from the EU with degrees are a dime a dozen so that's not really any advantage so unless her experience is very specialised I don't think they're going to help much. Plus her degrees may need to be recognised by the relevant Swiss authority so that could also hamper any job search.

I really don't see why it was necessary for her to come with you immediately rather than going through the normal process of either concubine or fiancée permits while she waited in the UK - which I assume is where she was based before the move. Can you really not be apart for a few months? It would also have made her job hunting easier because she would have had a permit via yours so wouldn't have the non-EU stigma attached that she has now. You're actually make it much harder for her by trying to do it this way.

If you've read the thread you know it's very unlikely that any decision will be made within the 3 month time limit so she'll probably end up back in the UK for a while anyway.

We don't offer any viable solutions because there aren't any. Highly qualified/highly skilled non-EU nationals yes possible. Someone with a couple of bachelors, a master and little experience to go with them not very possible at all. All she can do is look for jobs, apply for any suitable and hope. If you look under the Employment section of the forum there a couple of stickies giving companies who may want English speakers. Start there.

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We don't offer any viable solutions because there aren't any.
Except for "Plan C". Which in all honesty is the only way it will work.
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Re: work permit in CH for American citizens

@George - there's an excellent list of MNC companies on the Employment sticky, as well as job websites. Anything marked as Urgent on a job post or with one of the MNC companies will probably put in a bit more effort to file for a non-EU visa.

Honestly though - best bet is to start working your old connections. I think ppl are not going to put in a lot of effort unless they somehow know you directly or through someone else. That would be my first approach. Even if you don't know anyone directly in CH, someone you know in the UK will know someone here, etc. You can also start making friends through industry meetups (Meetup.com, etc) and putting out the word that you're available, looking, etc.

I would also hesitate a bit (perhaps just me) to apply to places before you have the work permit (if there's another way to get one), as CH is a small place and once you've been rejected once from a company, it's hard to just pop back up again 3 months later without someone remembering your CV. Might just be me though.
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Agree. Banks won't want any American in a position where they might have signing rights on an account because it would have to be reported on a FBAR.

What field are her degrees in? And how many years of experience? People from the EU with degrees are a dime a dozen so that's not really any advantage so unless her experience is very specialised I don't think they're going to help much. Plus her degrees may need to be recognised by the relevant Swiss authority so that could also hamper any job search.

I really don't see why it was necessary for her to come with you immediately rather than going through the normal process of either concubine or fiancée permits while she waited in the UK - which I assume is where she was based before the move. Can you really not be apart for a few months? It would also have made her job hunting easier because she would have had a permit via yours so wouldn't have the non-EU stigma attached that she has now. You're actually make it much harder for her by trying to do it this way.

If you've read the thread you know it's very unlikely that any decision will be made within the 3 month time limit so she'll probably end up back in the UK for a while anyway.

We don't offer any viable solutions because there aren't any. Highly qualified/highly skilled non-EY nationals yes possible. Someone with a couple of bachelors, a master and little experience to go with them not very possible at all. All she can do is look for jobs, apply for any suitable and hope. If you look under the Employment section of the forum there a couple of stickies giving companies who may want English speakers. Start there.

Having an account or signing rights is one thing, working for a bank is another.

Does this perhaps ring a bell?

https://www.credit-suisse.com/ch/en/...-board-cs.html

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Having an account or signing rights is one thing, working for a bank is another.

Does this perhaps ring a bell?

https://www.credit-suisse.com/ch/en/...-board-cs.html

Not really. Because if you look the Chief Financial Officer is a Brit. No way would an American be employed in that position because he'd have signing rights on the bank's accounts which would then need to be reported on a FBAR.

This will be the same for any bank position in which an American would have signing rights on the bank's accounts.

With that link you're also looking at the top echelon whom the bank may be willing to apply for a permit for. That may well not be the case these days for those lower down the hierarchy.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think Georgerfen needs to be realistic about her chances of finding anyone who'll apply for a permit for her in that 3 month period. As said, it would have been much easier if she'd stayed in the US/UK until he got a concubine/fiancée permit for her because then the non-EU stigma doesn't apply.
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Marry her. Get her permit under family reunification. Then she is treated as EU and can get any job she wants.

Don't leave plan C until the end of the 3 months... Things take ages to process here!
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Re: work permit in CH for American citizens

I think OP has disappeared because he/she didn't like the answers.

There are no easy/quick solutions. If there were, we wouldn't get this question a dozen times a week.

I imagine hiring is going to slow down a bit now that the peg to the Euro was removed. Companies are going to be watching the bottom line more closely. It's not a stretch to think it will be that much harder to get a company to sponsor your permit.

As for George, we did try to warn him of the complications for his non-EU girlfriend in his thread: Please help me fill in the gaps!!
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Re: work permit in CH for American citizens

@George - I know it sounds like we're being a pain in the arse, but having worked in many other markets around the world (including the US) - the Swiss one is unique in both it's speed (whereas it takes me a month or less to find a job in the US, the interview processes itself have all taken a month plus, the decision-making might take another 1-2 months) and competition - whereas you're hot tomatoes if you've worked for top firms in other countries or speak a few languages in other markets, here it doesn't mean much (receptionists here for example are expected to be at least bi if not tri-lingual as a minimum).

I think people also don't immediately realize that in the Swiss market, you're not really competing against Swiss ppl, you're competing against the tens of thousands of EU citizens that both want to move here AND have the license to hunt (they don't need work permits to work here in the same way that US citizens do).

All that said and done - as GfromNY said, all you can do is try and ppl do get lucky! But I would ask your girlfriend to think very seriously about whether she can go back to NY (even temporarily) if she does not find smthg here within 3 months
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My two cents...

OP will not work in CH without leaving CH. Period.
If you do not have the right papers, in the right order, with the right sponsor...the chances of employment on your own is dreadfully now if not impossible.

Unless of course you are published, were at the top of your class, and are "known" in your community (of work). Assume you are all of those things...next hurdle is getting though the HR departments as a third state citizen. Oh nelly...

To OP:
Your first hurdle is to have a Schengen D Visa in your passport.
If you dont have this...you don't work as you are not officially here. Without a sponsor, you don't get a visa. Once you get a sponsor or potential sponsor...then you have a chance. But that would assume you made a contact and they will hire you. As you have not immediate status now...you wont even get an interview. Also, the D visa can only be received in your home country.

Assume you do get a visa...then...the next hurdle is the permit. Alone without a sponsor...you will not get one. Your D visa will expire and you'll have to shove off again.

The list goes on and on.

Language skills or not...papers and administration are the limiting factors. Many people have shared their opinion and were not pulling any punches. Read what they say carefully.

If what you want is to truly work in Switzerland...make a tangible plan that works within the constraints to do so.
who are you talking to? not me I suppose? :-)
just wasn't sure for whom you posted this response, I don't need a Schengen visa, so I wasn't sure whether or not you were responding to me.
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who are you talking to? not me I suppose? :-)
just wasn't sure for whom you posted this response, I don't need a Schengen visa, so I wasn't sure whether or not you were responding to me.
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Maybe no one asked...do you have a residency permit already?
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Re: work permit in CH for American citizens

the toughest thing for many Americans to come to grips with is that the only jobs in Switzerland that require the kind of specialization and expertise that would justify the near-insurmountable headache and paperwork of bringing an American into the country...

...are exactly the jobs that the hiring firms target as expat / developmental opportunities for their existing employees rather than new-hire positions. for new-hire positions, it actually has very little to do with FATCA or banking issues - when it comes to non-EU there are simply other countries that offer sufficiently qualified would-be-immigrants who are willing to work for a fraction of what it would take to motivate an American to relocate. especially, for example, in IT. and - and I mean no personal offense to any would-be-immigrant - if you're an American who would relocate to Switzerland for the kind of compensation that is paid to many other non-EU applicants, then chances are you are not the type of new-hire the hiring firm wants in the first place.

the good news, if an American is hell-bent on moving to Europe, is that most EU countries have implemented the EU blue card and Germany even offers fast-track permanent residency and naturalization to blue card holders meeting minimum language and integration requirements.
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who are you talking to? not me I suppose? :-)
just wasn't sure for whom you posted this response, I don't need a Schengen visa, so I wasn't sure whether or not you were responding to me.
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You don't need a Shengen visa to visit. You do need a D-visa in your passport to be admitted to the country for residency.

To get said visa and a permit, you need to either have a job (which you've already asked about) or to be married/engaged to a Swiss or EU national.
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Re: work permit in CH for American citizens

Thanks for all the feedback...and yes, I was already well aware of the mountain to climb here (thanks, 3Wishes!).

The strangest thing for me is that the cost of the visa + application process does not appear to be the biggest hurdle here - it was when I moved to the US from the UK (without a degree) - but now I've finally got my head round it. It's not the cost; but instead the paperwork, the fierce competition from within the EU and the sensitivity towards Americans here.

While we will most likely file all the marriage paperwork to ensure the resident permit and level the playing field work-wise, I am ok with my partner to relax the next couple of months and perhaps see what comes of targeting specific employers, networking, and putting good energy out there. We have a trip back to the US on holiday scheduled for April and that will give us the opportunity to get the visa stamp etc, if all else fails.

I look forward to reading a success story on this thread at some point in the future!
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