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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

like I said, I am not intersted in reading your dribble.

and I haven't read it.

You need to go and see a psychiatrist.

I am not your free councellor.
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Old 11.01.2015, 18:21
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thanks for the USEFULL responses (Roegner, Rangatiranui, Island)

to the crazy people, (Sean, Medea ) that is why I don't have any desire to work in psychiatry.

i will specialize in Germany, as I have already been offered a contract (in surgery). Once I have specialized I will look at working in Switzerland.

Apparently there is a significant difference in tax rates etc between Germany and Switzerland. I dont believe in supporting unemployed people who are too lazy to work.

I enjoy surgery.

I dont enjoy talking with crazy people.

Also to work in these fields requires 5 years of specialty training, so you cant just do any job. Comparing Psychiatry/GP and surgery is like an aircraft mechanic being asked to repair a truck. I have most of my experience and training in surgery, specifically orthopedics and spinal surgery. (As a trainee doctor we can work in surgery etc, if we show a special intest and are invited to do so).
Sir, you really are a crashing bore.
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like I said, I am not intersted in reading your dribble.

and I haven't read it.

You need to go and see a psychiatrist.

I am not your free councellor.
No, I don't. And how do you know it's dribble if you haven't read it.
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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

God help Germany ….
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Old 11.01.2015, 18:30
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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

Wow lucky for me I live in the French speaking part and won't have the misfortune to be treated by you should you ever move to Switzerland.

With an attitude like yours I think you're very wise to not go in for psychiatry or general practice. Surgery ( with minimal contact with conscious patients) would seem ideal for you.
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Old 11.01.2015, 18:41
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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

Even anesthetists have to speak to people before and after- so not much hope for you, I'm afraid.

In rural Switzerland, there are huge opportunities for doctors to work as GPs- and many councils prepared to give substantial help with building, group surgery and staff, equipment, further training, including language improvements, etc- not just in areas with difficult patients and drug addicts! I shall warn our support dpt to look out for obnoxious ozzies- we are desperate, but not THAT desperate . However, we speak French here, so perhaps safe ... They obviously don't teach bedside manner in Germany!

To give a context, all the baby boomers GPs here are all coming up to retirement at the same time- hence the crisis here in Western rural Romandie.

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Old 11.01.2015, 18:43
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like I said, I am not intersted in reading your dribble.

and I haven't read it.

You need to go and see a psychiatrist.

I am not your free councellor.


But you want free immigration advice from us?
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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

Austalian,

I'm concerned. Since your style of writing here has elicited so many negative responses in such a short time, even from people who are often helpful, informative and friendly towards folk asking for information, it might be time to re-think. Here's my attempt.

Perhaps you're just trying to have a little fun and games with verbal sparring, or perhaps you are a willfully destructive forum troll. I'd like to hope it is, at best, the former and not the latter.

A much worse explanation would be that you genuinely do not realise that your posts, as they come across, draw a picture of you as someone who should probably not be working in any profession that involves with dealing with people in any way at all (and certainly not as a surgeon, who, to do his job well, would need to listen to and speak kindly to people who are, by the very circumstance that they need an operation at all, at the very least to some extent anxious).

I'm not saying that is necessarily a fair picture of you, since I don't know you; just that with these posts of yours, full of quick judgment and hot with scorn as they are, you have put yourself in that light.

I can understand that as your studies draw to a close, you're both proud of your achievements (that's fair enough, and reasonable) and uncertain of your job prospects in the neighbouring countries, and of the permit situation. So, it's fine that you ask.

If your working conditions are anything like the circumstances with which young, newly qualfying doctors in Switzerland have to contend, you are probably near frazzled from way too much pressure, far, far too long working hours, and not enough sleep.

But if these posts really do reflect your genuine self, your heart, your life attitudes, then I earnestly hope that you find a career path that moves you right away from human medicine altogether. Other than, perhaps, in laboratory research fields, such as designing new procedures or pieces of equipment, etc. in which you would have absolutely no "customer contact".

Many people post on this (and other) forums asking about their employment prospects and about the rules regarding permits, and many other people take the time to respond. Sometimes the poster is advised away from a certain profession, because it doesn't seem to match with the content the poster writes. I think this thread is one such case.

I imagine you'd probably not want to hear it, but I'd hazard a guess that you (and almost certainly those around you) could probably benefit from your taking some sort of courses in the broad direction of "feeling better", including, for example, written and spoken communication skills, self-awareness, non-violent communication, anger management, relaxation techniques, how to win friends and influence people, sleep hygiene, and life-work balance. Unless you truly are a thoroughly nasty person (which I'd like not to believe, since you did say you wanted to do something postive), it could be that your repeated sharp replies in this thread have something to do with your own emotional and organisational situation, not the least of which might simply be exhaustion. I hope you find ways to feel better.

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but in reality, psych patients would never be accepted as doctors.
Are you truly saying that you do not know any doctor who has, at one time in her/his life, experienced depression I am amazed. I personally know several who have committed suicide, tragically, both in the UK and in CH.
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I'd say you'll be suited to pathology. Good luck with that.
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Are you truly saying that you do not know any doctor who has, at one time in her/his life, experienced depression I am amazed. I personally know several who have committed suicide, tragically, both in the UK and in CH.


Yes, Odile, I, too, know two doctors (one in the UK and one in Switzerland) whose mental balance is precarious, and given their own inner contradictions plus a ridiculous amount of pressure in their professional and private circumstances, they are really struggling to do their jobs. It seems to me that one of them is, tragically, fairly suicidal.


Now that I think of it, others doctors I know with psychiatric diagnoses come to mind: one has a severe addiction problem, another a diagnosed narcissistic personality disorder, and a third suffers from a post traumatic stress disorder. Two of these are getting professional help, while the third seems hell-bent towards desctruction, and very sadly, is taking others down with him.


Mental illness can hit anyone, sometimes seemingly without warning. And not all, but quite a lot of those with a psychiatric diagnoses can, with some modifications to their lifestyles and with a nice chunk of understanding from their environment, find ways to continue being useful, functioning parts of society.
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Are you truly saying that you do not know any doctor who has, at one time in her/his life, experienced depression I am amazed. I personally know several who have committed suicide, tragically, both in the UK and in CH.
Me too. Not in Switzerland but in the UK and Belgium.
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I'd say you'll be suited to pathology. Good luck with that.


(sorry, not much more than that to add, cause really, what's the point )
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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

1. i am not reading the posts of the crazy people on here.
you need to see a psychiatrist (i am not your free councellor)



2. I have been offered a very good job in Switzerland. Better than any of you crazy people could ever hope to have. And the company is organizing my visa. If a company wants someone, then they get that employee. And that company obviously doesn't want any of you crazy people as employees !
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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

Dude, what the heck is your problem?

So you didn't have a job offer at 11am yesterday, but have one now? Great news (and very believable of course). Good luck with your patients, with your effed-up attitude, they won't stay with you long.

Work on your social skills or you will be without a job - and permit - in no time.

But what do I know, just another crazy person probably
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Do tell us where so we can

a/ avoid this place like the plague

b/ send them a copy of this thread before it is too late

How long is your trial period?
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Dude, what the heck is your problem?

So you didn't have a job offer at 11am yesterday, but have one now? Great news (and very believable of course). Good luck with your patients, with your effed-up attitude, they won't stay with you long.
He hadn't finished his medical degree yesterday so I'd avoid any Australian doctors in the german speaking part of Switzerland like the plague if i were you.
( unless it'a a GP or psychiatrist of course because those jobs are beneath him)
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i was offered the job on Friday, that was why I initially asked the question, which none of you could answer

ha ha ha

you a all rather useless

Get a life ! It appears that you spend every second of the day on this forum!
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1. i am not reading the posts of the crazy people on here.
you need to see a psychiatrist (i am not your free councellor)



2. I have been offered a very good job in Switzerland. Better than any of you crazy people could ever hope to have. And the company is organizing my visa. If a company wants someone, then they get that employee. And that company obviously doesn't want any of you crazy people as employees !
You're obviously the one who needs a psychiastrist. No one has even asked you for any counselling (which you can't spell by the way). Yet as said before you were quite happy to join the forum and ask for our free advice. Then, when it didn't agree with what you wanted to hear (yes, it's easy) you lose your cool.

You have no idea what all the people on the forum do so how can you say your job is better than any of theirs. Arrogant and ignorant - sterling qualities that every doctor should have.

You may have been offered a job, but until the permit is approved there's no guarantee you'll actually be working here and yes, permits can and have been refused so it's not just a case of a company wanting someone. And I hope you've organised your visa, because that's quite a different thing from a permit and something you need to do yourself.

Oops, sorry. You're such a know it all that you know all this already. So I won't bother to tell you how to do that.
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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

You can get all the offers you want, doesn't mean you actually get a permit.

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He hadn't finished his medical degree yesterday so I'd avoid any Australian doctors in the german speaking part of Switzerland like the plague if i were you.
( unless it'a a GP or psychiatrist of course because those jobs are beneath him)
I'll make sure to stick to my regular doctor as that one's actually a nice person

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You have no idea what all the people on the forum do so how can you say your job is better than any of theirs. Arrogant and ignorant - sterling qualities that every doctor should have.
Don't forget about the 300 other degrees he has He IS God, didn't you realize that?
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