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Australian doctor, (non EU)

I am an Australian in Germany (German Swiss border).

I plan on finishing my medical degree in Germany and that will give me an EU medical qualification and a German work permit.

Does anyone know if I can get work in Switzerland AS A DOCTOR ? Proper work, not the work that noone else wants (GP/Hausarzt, Psychiatry etc). Would I still be classed as "3rd world ?"

I really dont want to have to marry someone to get an EU passport to work in Switzerland.

I speak high German (not Swiss German) and , of course, English.

Please only reply if you have information related to work as a DOCTOR, thanks.

(Maybe I should just contact the Work Permit Related Office.)

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Old 11.01.2015, 11:57
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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

What's wrong with working in Germany!?

For non-EUs to get a work permit in Switzerland, there has to be no EU person to fill the role, so ther either has to be a major shortage of junior doctors for you to get a permit, or you'd need to be highly specialized which won't be the case when just out of uni!
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I really dont want to have to marry someone to get an EU passport to work in Switzerland.
Perish the thought!
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I speak high German (not Swiss German) and , of course, English.
.... well... Australian...

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Please only reply if you have information related to work as a DOCTOR, thanks.

(Maybe I should just contact the Work Permit Related Office.)

Thanks
Bingo. (or should i says Dingo?)

Or these guys direct - http://www.kantonsspitalbaden.ch/baden_d/Jobs/Jobs.php


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remember those that are on here, are also quite learned, some are just a little bored...




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What's wrong with working in Germany!?

For non-EUs to get a work permit in Switzerland, there has to be no EU person to fill the role, so ther either has to be a major shortage of junior doctors for you to get a permit, or you'd need to be highly specialized which won't be the case when just out of uni!
If the news outlets are to be believed there IS a shortage of doctors. But, you know, most those reallly crap jobs that (apparently) no one else want, like GP.

I agree: What's wrong with working in Germany?
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yes, the "shortage of doctors" (which exists worldwide) refers to the jobs that noone wants (psychiatry, GP, obstetrics / gynecology, and in locations whee noone wants to live, ie with drug addicts as patients etc).

If I qualify in Germany then I am equivalent to a German and can get any position. I have already been offered a surgical contract - but getting a work permit as a non-EU citizen was too difficult/expensive.

A friend of mine is pushing me to work in Switzerland as the taxes are a lot lower and the wages a a lot higher.

I will have an EU qualification, but only a german work permit.

I have a first class honors degree in Finance and Strategic Economic Analysis with awards for the best honors student etc. I also worked as a university lecturer and have degrees in Information Technology and Chemistry. So in Germany I am classed as "Highly Qualified".

But that isn't medicine.

(I prefer to learn rather than to watch television or drink beer at Pubs etc)

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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

In my experience getting a residency/work permit in Germany is a LOT easier than getting one in Switzerland.
Search the forum here as I think that even with a german education you still would need to get your degree recognised here.
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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

Are you still at uni? Do you not have to do two years further training/rotations in hospital after uni? I can't see you getting a permit to do your junior doctor time here … but who knows.

You will also have to have your qualifications approved by the red cross in Switzerland, which can take about a year I believe.

I'd have thought it was better to continue in Germany, until you have specialised, then apply for jobs in Switzerland and see how that goes.
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I have a first class honors degree in Finance and Strategic Economic Analysis with awards for the best honors student etc. I also worked as a university lecturer and have degrees in Information Technology and Chemistry. So in Germany I am classed as "Highly Qualified".

But that isn't medicine.

(I prefer to learn rather than to watch television or drink beer at Pubs etc)
Wow. Good for you. I guess this is what they call the Dr God Complex, eh?


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yes, the "shortage of doctors" (which exists worldwide) refers to the jobs that noone wants (psychiatry, GP, obstetrics / gynecology, and in locations whee noone wants to live, ie with drug addicts as patients etc).
So, you didn't become a doctor to help people or anything?

Anyway, you don't have live where you work. We call it commuting.


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If I qualify in Germany then I am equivalent to a German and can get any position. I have already been offered a surgical contract - but getting a work permit as a non-EU citizen was too difficult/expensive.

A friend of mine is pushing me to work in Switzerland as the taxes are a lot lower and the wages a a lot higher.

I will have an EU qualification, but only a german work permit.
Great. So stay in Germany. Your friend is not the boss of you.
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A friend of mine is pushing me to work in Switzerland as the taxes are a lot lower and the wages a a lot higher.
Aahhhh... it's love

The best reason.


Just give it a go.. apply for a position - the institution will tell you what papers you need. Or even just call a hospital.

Even get a job "you dont want" - and work towards the job you do want.
That way you get a reputation...

Junior doctors (or any job for that matter) need to get respect first.. though often those involved forget this part...
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yes, the "shortage of doctors" (which exists worldwide) refers to the jobs that noone wants (psychiatry, GP, obstetrics / gynecology, and in locations whee noone wants to live, ie with drug addicts as patients etc).

If I qualify in Germany then I am equivalent to a German and can get any position. I have already been offered a surgical contract - but getting a work permit as a non-EU citizen was too difficult/expensive.

A friend of mine is pushing me to work in Switzerland as the taxes are a lot lower and the wages a a lot higher.

I will have an EU qualification, but only a german work permit.
Wow, nice contradiction. First you say if you qualify in Germany you're equal to a German and can get any position, then turn around and say it's too difficult/expensive to get a work permit. Make up your mind. If you're equivalent to a German it shouldn't be difficult or expensive.

Having a German work permit means nothing here as Switzerland isn't part of the EU. You face the same hurdles in being hired here as a non-EU national and employers have to make a good case for not being able to find a Swiss/EU national who can do the job as outlined here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html
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If I qualify in Australia then I cant get a work permit, but if I qualify in Germanythen I get a work permit !

g some people on this forum have personality problems.

I was working in Oil and Gas.

But I wanted to do something positive, so I switched to Medicine.

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If I qualify in Australia then I cant get a work permit, but if I qualify in Germanythen I get a work permit !
In Germany, not Switzerland.

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As said, a German permit is not of any help in Switzerland.
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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

Your best route: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law

Of course you shouldn't need to apply for jobs, they should be queuing at you door.
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I was working in Oil and Gas.

But I wanted to do something positive, so I switched to Medicine.
Yes. It's true. Some people on this forum have personality problems. Welcome to the forum.

That's great that you want to do something positive and help people. But it seems contradictory then that you wouldn't want to take a job were there was actually a real need for your contribution. You were writing like you only want the plush jobs, more money and lower taxes.

But I guess I misread.

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g some people on this forum have personality problems.

I was working in Oil and Gas.

But I wanted to do something positive, so I switched to Medicine.
Enough about you, let's talk about me!
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thanks for the USEFULL responses (Roegner, Rangatiranui, Island)

to the crazy people, (Sean, Medea ) that is why I don't have any desire to work in psychiatry.

i will specialize in Germany, as I have already been offered a contract (in surgery). Once I have specialized I will look at working in Switzerland.

Apparently there is a significant difference in tax rates etc between Germany and Switzerland. I dont believe in supporting unemployed people who are too lazy to work.

I enjoy surgery.

I dont enjoy talking with crazy people.

Also to work in these fields requires 5 years of specialty training, so you cant just do any job. Comparing Psychiatry/GP and surgery is like an aircraft mechanic being asked to repair a truck. I have most of my experience and training in surgery, specifically orthopedics and spinal surgery. (As a trainee doctor we can work in surgery etc, if we show a special intest and are invited to do so).

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.... I don't have any desire to work in psychiatry.

Oh, yes, please, please don't even consider working in psychiatry. It is a field which requires empathy, compassion and tolerance towards other people who see the world differently, or who understand things differently from the way you might have intended them, or who answer in ways other than what you might have hoped. In fact, those are useful attibutes for human interaction anywhere, whether advising and listening to a patient who might need surgery, or making enquiries of a government department or on a forum.

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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

no, you can have the job doropfiz !

but in reality, psych patients would never be accepted as doctors.

( just because I am a doctor it doesnt mean that I want to listen to the dribble of crazy people who have no life. I prefer to be out snowboarding etc !).
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Re: Australian doctor, (non EU)

Really, you think my post is crazy? I based my replies on the following remarks you made.

"I am an Australian in Germany (German Swiss border).

I plan on finishing my medical degree in Germany and that will give me an EU medical qualification and a German work permit."

"If I qualify in Germany then I am equivalent to a German and can get any position. I have already been offered a surgical contract - but getting a work permit as a non-EU citizen was too difficult/expensive."

As it was quite clear from these that you were going to qualify in Germany, putting you on an equal footing with the German for jobs, and had been offered a contract there. Why should I then assume you're talking about the difficulty of getting a permit as a non-EU national?

All I can say is thank god you don't want to be a GP. Not sure I'd want you too near me with a scapel in your hands either.
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