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Langauge requirement - faciltated naturalisation

I know there are a number of threads on this already, but it seems now there is a requirement for an A2 certificate for regular naturalisation.


I have tried to clarify the facilitated naturalisation language requirement with the embassy etc. but I'm getting mixed opinions. I'm probably A2 in French but my other half's family all speak German or Swiss German so I may as well try my hand at German between now and being eligible to apply for citizenship.


Does anybody have a link to the definitive position?


EU citizen married to a Swiss.


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I know there are a number of threads on this already, but it seems now there is a requirement for an A2 certificate for regular naturalisation.
Each canton has different rules - for instance in SZ it's B1 written, B2 spoken, plus the Politik und Gesellschaft course certificate - so go to your cantonal website for the definitive answer for your situation.
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Re: Langauge requirement - faciltated naturalisation

There is no language requirement for facilitated naturalization.

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Re: Langauge requirement - faciltated naturalisation

But the interview that goes with the naturalisation will be held in the language of the Kanton the person resides in. Or is that not necessary when it is a facilitated naturalisation?
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There is no language requirement for facilitated naturalization.

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What happens is you can't communicate in your interview?

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But the interview that goes with the naturalisation will be held in the language of the Kanton the person resides in. Or is that not necessary when it is a facilitated naturalisation?
The OP is in the UK. What happens then? Interview in the Swiss Embassy London? In English or a Swiss language?

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Re: Langauge requirement - faciltated naturalisation

The embassy told me that I would be interviewed in the UK, with part of the interview in a Swiss language of my choice....they wouldn't be drawn on the exact level of language skills required. However, the website still maintains there is no language requirement for facilitated naturalisation.

I know the rules changed recently, hence my question.
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I know the rules changed recently, hence my question.
Only for normal naturalisation. If you already know some French, work on that, German is damn hard.
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Re: Langauge requirement - faciltated naturalisation

The facilitated naturalisation procedure is handled by the federal government, contrarily to the regular one which is handled by the commune / canton.

The conditions for facilitated naturalisation are
- Integration
- Compliance with rule of law
- No danger to internal or external security
- Additional requirements depending on legal provisions

As part of the "integration" requirement, it is expected that you learn one of the national languages. In the case of the facilitated naturalisation, it can be any of the national languages, and does not have to be the one of the canton you reside in.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...uergerung.html
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There is no language requirement for facilitated naturalization.

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I know Tom has said this before. And yet, not our experience with my OH. We married in Switzerland 44 years ago, and came to live here in 2009. He was definitely told the interview would be in French- and it was- Grammatical accuracy was not important, but he was clearly expected to be able to understand questions and to give a full answer- and was also asked about his past relationship with Switzerland, holidays, family and friends. This was done where we live, on the instructions of the Canton d'Origine- where neither of us had only been once for a day. Facilitated naturalization is always done via the town/village of origin of the Swiss spouse (that is not where they lived, but where the family originally was registered- in our case, none of our family had lived there for generations).
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Re: Langauge requirement - faciltated naturalisation

See also the following document, section 4.7.2, which gives some concrete examples (in German):

https://www.bj.admin.ch/content/dam/...ueg-kap4-d.pdf

In short, being able to communicate in everyday life in one of the national languages is an important indicator of integration. However, it can be replaced by other elements of integration. They give the example of a naturalisation candidate having a lot of contacts with locals, even though said contacts were in English. Thanks to references from locals, he was granted naturalisation.
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Re: Langauge requirement - faciltated naturalisation

Not easy to have good relationships with locals if you live in UK though. OH did, as we came here every year on hols, and I kep very good realtionships with old friends, who became his too. So we had a long list of locals prepared to give him a reference.
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Re: Langauge requirement - faciltated naturalisation

We go to Switzerland regularly and have a pretty good network of family and friends who will (I hope!) put in a good word for me.


I think it is highly sensible to speak the language anyway (not langauge as in the thread title - just a typo - I can actually spell!) as it must be extremely hard to live in a country while not being able to interact with it.


There's a while to go before I'm eligible anyway but I like to be prepared....


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See also the following document, section 4.7.2, which gives some concrete examples (in German):

https://www.bj.admin.ch/content/dam/...ueg-kap4-d.pdf

In short, being able to communicate in everyday life in one of the national languages is an important indicator of integration. However, it can be replaced by other elements of integration. They give the example of a naturalisation candidate having a lot of contacts with locals, even though said contacts were in English. Thanks to references from locals, he was granted naturalisation.
Read through the section of the document linked to above for the official word on how language requirements are interpreted for applicants for facilitated naturalisation. Section 4.7.2.1 (a) notes that the language requirements are not the same as for regular naturalisation but that the applicant should still be able to communicate on an everyday basis in a national language. Later, in section 4.7.2.1 (c) (dd), it is noted that the language requirements for facilitated naturalisation from abroad are not the same as for those resident in Switzerland but that the applicant would normally be expected to have at least a basic knowledge of a national language and that linguistic abilities will be taken into account in the broader assessment of whether or not the applicant has "close ties" with Switzerland.

In practice (and this is covered elsewhere in the manual linked to above), I believe the interview at the embassy will be conducted, to the extent practicable, in a Swiss national language, but much of the conversation (in London) can be in English, if necessary.

Note that the new citizenship law, expected to go into force in 2016 or 2017, does make explicit a language requirement for facilitated naturalisation -- applicants will be required to be able to express themselves, orally and in writing, in a national language.
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Re: Langauge requirement - faciltated naturalisation

Superb, thanks! I'll get my A2 certification and that might be good enough to satisfy the new requirement as I'll probably be applying then.

I'll read the document....well I'll get my OH to read it to me ;-)
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Re: Langauge requirement - faciltated naturalisation

Bonne chance. This thread is again a reminder that things change hugely from C/Kanton to C/K- but also to Communes (town/Council). In my small Commune, the 2 people who would make a decision about naturalisation, are elected Councillors- 1 has lived abroad and travelled a lot and is very open minded- the other is a local who is really insular and thinks crossing the border is a sin.... so extreme chalk and cheese. How those two would ever agree, I cannot fathom!

Where my OH had his interview, it was done by a trained civil servant. Their interpretation of the regulations can be very far and wide.

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Re: Langauge requirement - faciltated naturalisation

I'd like to 'thank' jhm3 for that link on the forum but I don't know how to!

So thanks! Just what I was looking for!
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I'd like to 'thank' jhm3 for that link on the forum but I don't know how to!

So thanks! Just what I was looking for!
You're welcome! CH_Greg actually beat me to it in posting the link in this particular thread. In any case, the manual makes for very interesting reading for anyone interested in figuring out how the naturalization process works and how the requirements are interpreted. For easy access to all of its chapters and annexes, see this link: https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/it/home...rgerrecht.html

Of course, as Odile notes above, even with the fairly specific guidelines and procedures laid down in the manual, there remains scope for a particular official to make some somewhat subjective judgements about things like "close ties" and "integration," but ticking as many as possible of the boxes specified in the manual would certainly increase the chances of an application's success, I would think.
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So thanks! Just what I was looking for!
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Bonne chance. This thread is again a reminder that things change hugely from C/Kanton to C/K- but also to Communes (town/Council). In my small Commune, the 2 people who would make a decision about naturalisation, are elected Councillors- 1 has lived abroad and travelled a lot and is very open minded- the other is a local who is really insular and thinks crossing the border is a sin.... so extreme chalk and cheese. How those two would ever agree, I cannot fathom!

Where my OH had his interview, it was done by a trained civil servant. Their interpretation of the regulations can be very far and wide.
Facilitated naturalization is federal. The cantons/communes have no say really. They only have the right to object and they can't just object to anything they feel like. The questions they ask are all sent down from Bern. They ask the same questions to everyone.
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