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Help with E401 - English municipality?

Dear all,

I am living in Ticino now, started last May.
My family came joint me only in August (end of the school basically).
In order to claim for child benefits from may to august the IAS authority asked me to fill in the module E401.
That's fine but... they want that the part B of that module is filled in by the municipality where my kids where living, meaning the municipality authority in UK.

Now - it sounds absurd I know - but there is not such a thing for foreigners in UK!
We - as Italians - where never registered in any "people register" in UK, and absolutely the municipality doesn't know anything about me and my kids living there....
Of course they were registered to school, to the NHS etc... but not the municipality.

How anyone solved this problem?
Who is the authority in charge to fill this module then?

Thanks for any help/suggestion,
Mik
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Re: Help with E401 - English municipality?

I would suggest you go along to the Commune office with the form and explain that this is not applicable in the UK.
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Re: Help with E401 - English municipality?

Were you registered with the local authority in UK for council tax, or possibly on the electoral role for voting, could be a start for you.
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I would suggest you go along to the Commune office with the form and explain that this is not applicable in the UK.
Tried that, but the officer in Bellinzona laughed at me saying that it is not possible...
She was so sure that I started doubting myself about being illegal for a decade in UK ;-)

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Were you registered with the local authority in UK for council tax, or possibly on the electoral role for voting, could be a start for you.
I tried the city council office where I used to pay council tax.
They say they can't help unfortunately (mind you, the woman at the other side of the phone line was so kind that she made me miss a lot the British customer care style! lovely!).

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I tried the city council office where I used to pay council tax.
They say they can't help unfortunately (mind you, the woman at the other side of the phone line was so kind that she made me miss a lot the British customer care style! lovely!).

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Maybe they can't help with the form, but surely they can issue a letter indicating whether or not you received the child benefit there while the kids were in the UK? The whole purpose is to make sure you're not double-dipping and getting the benefit in both places. I'm sure I've seen it somewhere here on EF that a letter attached to the form was sufficient...
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Re: Help with E401 - English municipality?

Have your tried HMRC? They will have records of any tax credits and child benefits paid out to you. I had to fill in a form to discharge my child benefit in the UK, and I just declared that I recieved no benefits from the UK to the Swiss authorities, but that is three years ago in Zurich so a) things change, b) it varies from canton to canton and c) I might have mis-remembered.
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Re: Help with E401 - English municipality?

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Have your tried HMRC? They will have records of any tax credits and child benefits paid out to you. I had to fill in a form to discharge my child benefit in the UK, and I just declared that I recieved no benefits from the UK to the Swiss authorities, but that is three years ago in Zurich so a) things change, b) it varies from canton to canton and c) I might have mis-remembered.
This is exactly it. You have to get the E401 issued by them as they have all the details.
Everything is done at a national level in the UK.
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Re: Help with E401 - English municipality?

Did you claim child benefit in the UK? If so, then the office that deals with that would be the obvious place to start.
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Have your tried HMRC? They will have records of any tax credits and child benefits paid out to you. I had to fill in a form to discharge my child benefit in the UK, and I just declared that I recieved no benefits from the UK to the Swiss authorities, but that is three years ago in Zurich so a) things change, b) it varies from canton to canton and c) I might have mis-remembered.
Yes I did.
I contacted HMRC first time the 2nd of September asking for their document.
I called them once or twice at week since then (my strategy was: "they will be so bored to hear me that they will finally deal with my papers". I was wrong :-).
They sent me the paper F026 the 24th of December.
In there it seems everything is written properly... but the office in Switzerland ignored it... just they asked for their own form to be filled in by the municipality...

I am now thinking that the Italian Embassy could help, as they have a register with people and dates...

let's see, but is becoming annoying enough.

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This is exactly it. You have to get the E401 issued by them as they have all the details.
Everything is done at a national level in the UK.
Problem is that HMRC sent me the F026 rahter than E401.
Same information, but.. different layout.
The office in Bellinzona wasn't happy enough.

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Problem is that HMRC sent me the F026 rahter than E401.
Same information, but.. different layout.
The office in Bellinzona wasn't happy enough.

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Ask them to send you the correct one ie the E401. It's the standard European form for child benefits.

The same thing happened to us here but we persevered and eventually they had to accept it as it was the only thing we could get. ( it was Belgium rather than UK but they had the same gripe about the difference in forms). It took rather a long time to sort out but the payments were backdated and we ended up with about 6000chf of benefits in one go once they'd sorted it out.
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Re: Help with E401 - English municipality?

Thanks guys.
It looks like the Swiss authority now is willing to consider the F026 rather than their E401.
Let's see how it goes... finger crossed.
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Re: Help with E401 - English municipality?

Just an update:
the Swiss authority has finally accepted the F026 I sent from HMRC from UK.
Thanks to everyone for your support and information.

Cheers,
Michele
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