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Old 24.02.2015, 11:19
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Survey from the Bundesamt für Statistik

A few weeks ago I got a letter from the Bundesamt für Statistik asking me to take part in a survey. As I found the questions rather personal and as the survey was voluntary, I just ignored it. Now I have received another letter saying that the survey is compulsory and that I MUST answer it, otherwise I will have committed a straftat! Has anyone else received such a letter? What happens if I don't fill in the survey?
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Old 24.02.2015, 11:24
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Re: Survey from the Bundesamt für Statistik

It used to be done by telephone, but they've been around a while.

Answering telephone surveys mandatory since 1st September in Switzerland
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Re: Survey from the Bundesamt für Statistik

If it is an official census, yes it is compulsory and you have to answer truthfully. When I was a kid, my mum did this as a job for a while- and had to go door to door getting all to fill theirs- so it's been going for a very long time
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Old 24.02.2015, 11:42
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If it is an official census, yes it is compulsory and you have to answer truthfully. When I was a kid, my mum did this as a job for a while- and had to go door to door getting all to fill theirs- so it's been going for a very long time
what is the penalty if you ignore it?
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Old 24.02.2015, 16:03
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Re: Survey from the Bundesamt für Statistik

And another thread that talks about it: Anybody had the labor census phone call?
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Old 25.02.2015, 10:50
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And another thread that talks about it: Anybody had the labor census phone call?
I'm referring to a survey form received in the post, not a telephone survey.
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Old 25.02.2015, 11:18
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I'm referring to a survey form received in the post, not a telephone survey.
This thread may be more helpful as it relates to the postal survey.
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Old 25.02.2015, 11:20
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If it is an official census, yes it is compulsory and you have to answer truthfully. When I was a kid, my mum did this as a job for a while- and had to go door to door getting all to fill theirs- so it's been going for a very long time
I'm not actually sure if you even need to return an official census. I remember reading about some people in the UK who refused out of principle and the standoff lasted quite a long while. I don't know who finally won but just the fact that it did take so long shows the legal case isn't as black on white as it may seem. The defendants were claiming that filling in the census would constitute treason as the data was stored on an insecure computer that was located outside the UK. Of course in Switzerland things are different again. Also, this isn't a cenuses but a questionnaire. That doesn't have the same legal standing.

But my understanding is that if anything hasn't been received by registered mail or handed over to you personally, the onus is on them to prove you received it. If they get at you for not returning the survey, that should be your first line of defence.

I refused to participate in the telephone survey some time ago and I received a letter with lots of legalese saying it was a Straftat and bla bla but the letter was neither registered, signed nor stamped and I ignored it and they never tried again. The letter actually included the phone number which they used and which I should reply to. I put that one straight onto my ignore list. Talk about incompetence.
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Old 25.02.2015, 12:22
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Re: Survey from the Bundesamt für Statistik

An interesting bit here from the Bundesamt für Statistik FAQ:

http://www.grundrechte.ch/2011/faqvzdev4.0.pdf


Gibt es Bussen, wenn man die Auskunft bei der Strukturerhebung verweigert?

Die Strukturerhebung ist zwar obligatorisch, das Volkszählungsgesetz sieht für Verweigerer aber keine Bussen vor, sondern eine Aufwandgebühr. Wer nicht antwortet, verursacht einen Mehraufwand, zum Beispiel für Erinnerungsschreiben, Mahnungen oder Rückfragen. Die Erfahrungen mit der Volkszählung 2000 zeigen, dass die Teilnahmebereitschaft sehr hoch war und deshalb in der Regel keine Gebühren erhoben werden mussten.
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Old 25.02.2015, 12:30
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An interesting bit here from the Bundesamt für Statistik FAQ:

http://www.grundrechte.ch/2011/faqvzdev4.0.pdf


Gibt es Bussen, wenn man die Auskunft bei der Strukturerhebung verweigert?

Die Strukturerhebung ist zwar obligatorisch, das Volkszählungsgesetz sieht für Verweigerer aber keine Bussen vor, sondern eine Aufwandgebühr. Wer nicht antwortet, verursacht einen Mehraufwand, zum Beispiel für Erinnerungsschreiben, Mahnungen oder Rückfragen. Die Erfahrungen mit der Volkszählung 2000 zeigen, dass die Teilnahmebereitschaft sehr hoch war und deshalb in der Regel keine Gebühren erhoben werden mussten.
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Are there buses [punishments/fines?] if you refused to give information on the structural survey?

The structural survey is indeed mandatory, the census law provides for objectors but no buses before, but in a penalty. Who does not respond, causing extra work, for example, reminder, reminders or questions. The experience of the 2000 census show that the willingness to participate was very high and therefore usually no charges had to be collected.
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Re: Survey from the Bundesamt für Statistik

It is mandatory.. it says so on the form. If you don't feel comfortable with real answers make it up.
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Old 25.02.2015, 12:54
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It is mandatory.. it says so on the form. If you don't feel comfortable with real answers make it up.
Making stuff up is my nature.

only the form doesn't really have much space for my stories.

I did recently get a spam post from a credit card company in my snail mail and I decided to waste their time by filling out the form with nonsense and the crossing out stuff in the TOCs and adding my own stuff, effectively making it a free credit card with an unlimited 0% loan i would never need to pay back. They actually called me back saying that unfornuately they couldn't agree to my changes in the TOCs but if I would explain my needs to them they might be able to find a solution. Obviously their ability to detect a troll is very low.
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Re: Survey from the Bundesamt für Statistik

did the online version, took 10 minutes, no hazel
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Re: Survey from the Bundesamt für Statistik

Hi

I also received the warning letter because I have always refused to give out such personal information, my swiss partner then told me i had to do it. He did not receive this and he was angry that his details had to be entered into my form as we are living together.

I found the questions too much and intrusive but i filled it out online so that there would not be consequences

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What sort of questions? What do you mean by "personal"?
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Re: Survey from the Bundesamt für Statistik

It was very much how much i earn what is my job my religion etc etc

sorry but my salary and religion are something I never discuss I am from Northern Ireland its a big no no for me.

I can't remember all the questions but those are the few that stuck out for me.
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It's anonymous, what's the problem?

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Making stuff up is my nature.

only the form doesn't really have much space for my stories.

I did recently get a spam post from a credit card company in my snail mail and I decided to waste their time by filling out the form with nonsense and the crossing out stuff in the TOCs and adding my own stuff, effectively making it a free credit card with an unlimited 0% loan i would never need to pay back. They actually called me back saying that unfornuately they couldn't agree to my changes in the TOCs but if I would explain my needs to them they might be able to find a solution. Obviously their ability to detect a troll is very low.
You should invite them to join EF where other people share the same need for a new special credit card.
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It was very much how much i earn what is my job my religion etc etc

sorry but my salary and religion are something I never discuss I am from Northern Ireland its a big no no for me.

I can't remember all the questions but those are the few that stuck out for me.
Just make it up then.. I don't see the problem. My OH also received the census and she is one of these" if it says I have to do it then I have to" types. ... I filled it in instead.
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Old 27.02.2015, 11:02
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did the online version, took 10 minutes, no hazel
what about cashew?
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