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Hi all im new here, browsed the forums for a while found a lot of useful info already and decided to make this thread to get everything cleared up and I plan to keep this thread updated with the actual experiences while going through the process.


Intro: Im from Holland, turning 25 years old this Saturday and moved to Mexico when I was 19. Had a lot of personal reasons for leaving Holland mostly family drama childhood stuff. Stayed illegal for 3 years in Mexico cause with money you can do anything you want there. After 3 years got a work permit and been working since then. Met a girl who always wanted to live in Europe and we are now going to make that happen. Switzerland is the country we decided on. I have a EU passport with my Dutch nationality but she only has a Mexican passport.


The plan: We both plan to live there permanently and to start by studying there. I currently have a Highschool diploma from Holland and she just finished her Lawyer career at University level. I plan to go to college (university if possible?) to study System/software engineering and she wants to study either Hotel & Tourism at university or get her masters for her current career. We will have a decent amount of money saved up but mainly we will need to work to pay our living expenses.


So here are the questions:


1 Do I need any permits or papers besides my EU Passport to work?


2 What is the requirement to bring my Non EU partner along and get her working rights? We are not married but I read in a sticky somewhere that is not required? (if this is not possible then she will simply go through the permit process as any other non eu citizen)


3 Is it allowed to study and have a side job?


4 What are the basic requirements to apply for a citizenship? Time working/studying? Papers? Money?


5 With a MAVO diploma (highschool) could I study directly at University level or college? As the education system in Holland is very different im confused as to where I can jump in.


6 What are the average monthly living cost per person? Including Rent for an average 2 room apartment, food, services (Use bicycle for transport is viable there as it is in Holland?)


7 Do they speak basic English everywhere? I see that on the left side they speak French, North/N-E side is German and South/S-E is Italian.


I understand some of these questions are at the wrong place on the forum but I figured I try to keep it to 1 thread first instead of making 3 or 4 separate ones. If needed I can place specific question in another section later on.


Any questions please let me know.


Regards,


Gen
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Hint, on this site refer to the country as Switzerland.

Then you won't get trolled to oblivion x
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Hint, on this site refer to the country as Switzerland.

Then you won't get trolled to oblivion x
Swissssss is quite a variant, though. Top marks for effort.

With regard to your questions, sorry to give you the stock answer, but almost all of them have been answered here many times over. You'll find excellent, informative threads on EF that provide all the details you need -- just search. I recommend you use the Google-powered search.

And by the way, money won't get you far in Switzerland, unless you have truckloads of it. Here, it will seem like everybody has "money" -- being fairly affluent elsewhere makes you one of the pack in Switzerland. So it's probably advisable not to suggest that you can buy your way to a residency permit (ŕ la Mexico) or citizenship here (as you suggested).

Finally, if you don't speak any of the national languages, I suggest you consider the German areas. Speaking Dutch (presumably), you should find German (and even Swiss German) fairly easy to master.
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Re: Moving to Swissssss - list of inquiries

With the money part I meant are there significant costs to tramit the papers. I understand in Europe money wont get you anywhere especially in highly developed countries like Switzerland. Ive edited the main post to avoid confusing or negative impressions. Thanks.
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don't see an editing option so nevermind
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The power to edit will come, Grasshopper. Be patient.

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haha thanks. I shall be patient then.
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Re: Moving to Swissssss - list of inquiries

1 Do I need any permits or papers besides my EU Passport to work?

- No just a work contract will get you a residence permit.

2 What is the requirement to bring my Non EU partner along and get her working rights? We are not married but I read in a sticky somewhere that is not required? (if this is not possible then she will simply go through the permit process as any other non eu citizen)

-It is very hard to bring a partner if you are not married.

3 Is it allowed to study and have a side job?

- You are allowed to work 15 hours a week (I think this is just if you are on a student residence permit)

4 What are the basic requirements to apply for a citizenship? Time working/studying? Papers? Money?

- You need to be resident in CH for 10 years (I have a feeling time on a student permit doesn't count), and have a grasp of the language of the area you are living in and a knowledge of Switzerland.

5 With a MAVO diploma (highschool) could I study directly at University level or college? As the education system in Holland is very different im confused as to where I can jump in.

- You'd need to ask the University. Be aware that Bachelors courses are taught in French/German/Italian, not English. Only Masters courses are in English.

6 What are the average monthly living cost per person? Including Rent for an average 2 room apartment, food, services (Use bicycle for transport is viable there as it is in Holland?)

- To get a student permit, they want to see that you have 100chf per day I believe, for living costs. Lots of threads on here about living costs, have a search.

7 Do they speak basic English everywhere? I see that on the left side they speak French, North/N-E side is German and South/S-E is Italian.

- No. Many Swiss speak English, but it is not a National language. Without French/German/Italian, you will struggle to work or study.
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Re: Moving to Swissssss - list of inquiries

thank you so much for the response. my only question is in regards to #3. I read about the 15hrs as well however those 15 hours is for foreigners with a student permit, having a EU passport does that give me full rights to study and work freely without limits? or even with a EU passport if I study, 15 hrs is the limit as well?
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thank you so much for the response. my only question is in regards to #3. I read about the 15hrs as well however those 15 hours is for foreigners with a student permit, having a EU passport does that give me full rights to study and work freely without limits? or even with a EU passport if I study, 15 hrs is the limit as well?
Yes. If you are a student, your hours are limited
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thanks and i read that in an older thread that 15hrs with a sidejob like receptionist or waiter brings in about 2000-2500CHF is that still accurate?
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thanks and i read that in an older thread that 15hrs with a sidejob like receptionist or waiter brings in about 2000-2500CHF is that still accurate?
Working in a bar you're likely to get 25.00 an hour (plus tips), so not so much.
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If you are here as a student, you will spend far more than you earn.

Also be aware, that to get a student permit, you have to prove you have sufficient funds to live on in order to get the permit… they won't take future possible jobs into account.
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with our current time schedule we would start off with about 40k CHF. would that be sufficient to be let in? both of us will work the full 15hrs and live together in a small apartment which online we see go for about 800 CHF a month?
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with our current time schedule we would start off with about 40k CHF. would that be sufficient to be let in? both of us will work the full 15hrs and live together in a small apartment which online we see go for about 800 CHF a month?
Seems they look for 21,000 per year. I think this is on top of showing you've paid your tuition fees. https://www.ethz.ch/en/studies/inter...ce-permit.html

"evidence of sufficient financial resources (not required if you entered Switzerland with a student visa). As financial evidence, the Migration Office accepts your own bank statement or (if you are an EU/EFTA citizen) a letter from your parents confirming that they will support you with CHF 1750 per month."

…. It would be cheaper to study in the Netherlands I expect.
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Understand that your girlfriend has three possibilities only. One: she gets a job offer and gets a permit that way. This is extremely difficult as priority is given to Swiss/EU nationals over non-EU nationals.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html

Two: you apply for a concubine permit for her which will allow her to live here, but I'm not sure it will grant any work rights. You would have to agree to be finanically responsible for her for 5 years. The Swiss do not really recognise non-married couples so the concubine permit is the only possibility, unless you get married. Otherwise you would be assessed as two separate people and not as a couple.

Three: she applies separately as a student and will need to show the following financial figures.

Bear in mind that you'd need between CHF20,000 and CHF30,000 per year to study, depending in the uni and its location. That figure is just for you btw, you'd need more if you have to support your girlfriend as well.
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with our current time schedule we would start off with about 40k CHF. would that be sufficient to be let in? both of us will work the full 15hrs and live together in a small apartment which online we see go for about 800 CHF a month?

Maybe for a room in a house. Apartment? Dont think so, unless its a tiny one in the middle of nowhere
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Finding and apartment for 800 francs will be like winning the lottery. Plus if there are two of you can not live in a one room studio as that is not considered adequate housing.

Also a concubine permit for a non-EU is highly unlikely. Some cantons allow it for non married EU/EU couples. EU/nonEU opposite sex couples probably not going to be allowed. Of course you can try.

Since your girlfriend has a law degree, wouldn't it make more sense for her to look for work in that field??

There are plenty of non governmental agencies or embassies/missions, Latin American corporations she could try. I'm sure there is something for her there. But since you can live anywhere in the EU, she should try to find a job anywhere in Europe then you go where she finds work.
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Working in a bar you're likely to get 25.00 an hour (plus tips), so not so much.
You really know how to get the good staff at your new place with job adverts like that.
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thank you so much for the response. my only question is in regards to #3. I read about the 15hrs as well however those 15 hours is for foreigners with a student permit, having a EU passport does that give me full rights to study and work freely without limits? or even with a EU passport if I study, 15 hrs is the limit as well?
You are indeed limited to 15 hours a week while you hold a student permit. On the other hand, once you get a more substantial job, you will simply get upgraded to a "proper" work permit. That of course still allows you to study.

In practice you are free to work as much as you please.
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