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Confirmation from Migrationsamt

I am from the Middle East and I have been here in this country for 3 years already. I moved here as a refugee due to the messed up situation back home. However, I moved here when I was 18 but my mother was already here married to a person that had a C permit. So I could leave the refugee camp and move to their house and after a while I could get the B permit but what happened back then was that before I was about to get the B permit the stepfather had a problem with Migrationsamt which got his C permit taken away which also stopped my procedure. However, I remained with no N permit that had neither the B permit and now this is my third year with no paper yet I am legally in Switzerland and I go to school (in my last year matura). Now Ive been with my Swiss girlfriend for a year and decided to get married. We went to Civilstandesamt with all the required paper and then waited for 3 months till they confirmed them but they still asked for a confirmation from the migration office Zurich. I requested that a month a go but still didn't get that paper nor any answer considering that the civilstandesamt requested it for me and my lawyer. This is a nightmare I can't do anything in this country I am like someone who lives here illegally with the government acceptance.

If anybody know anything that I haven't thought of and can help, please comment your suggestion.

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Old 02.03.2015, 17:29
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Sorry, but with no permit you're not here legally. You should have made much more effort to sort this out with the migration office. If you sought asylum then you should have an N permit regardless of whatever type your mother/stepfather has. As you were over 18 when you moved here you did not qualify for family reunification.

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification/

So applying for asylum was your only option to get any permit to live here. If you have not done that then your status is illegal and you should make the application asap before the authorities decide to deport you.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...verfahren.html

And you seem to have gone from being the wife to being the son. Make up your mind.

I need help (very bad situation)
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Sorry, but with no permit you're not here legally. You should have made much more effort to sort this out with the migration office. If you sought asylum then you should have an N permit regardless of whatever type your mother/stepfather has. As you were over 18 when you moved here you did not qualify for family reunification.

https://www.ch.ch/en/family-reunification/

So applying for asylum was your only option to get any permit to live here. If you have not done that then your status is illegal and you should make the application asap before the authorities decide to deport you.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...verfahren.html

And you seem to have gone from being the wife to being the son. Make up your mind.

I need help (very bad situation)
I did have an N permit but the migrationsamt took it from me in 2013 January and told me that soon I would receive my B permit (I arrived few days before my 18th birthday) but everything stopped because of the stepfathers thing back then. They wouldn't give back my N permit because they would say that I have to wait till the dads problem is solved however the problem isn't solved till now. I am legally here and I have an address but of course it was a huge amount of work that I had to do till I achieved the position that im in now. Trust me so far I have suffered here but I don't have an option because I can't go nowhere else.
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Old 02.03.2015, 17:43
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I did have an N permit but the migrationsamt took it from me in 2013 January and told me that soon I would receive my B permit (I arrived few days before my 18th birthday) but everything stopped because of the stepfathers thing back then. They wouldn't give back my N permit because they would say that I have to wait till the dads problem is solved however the problem isn't solved till now. I am legally here and I have an address but of course it was a huge amount of work that I had to do till I achieved the position that im in now. Trust me so far I have suffered here but I don't have an option because I can't go nowhere else.
The answer needed is what is the outcome of your stepfather's case? If he still has a permit then you might get one, but if he's been told to leave the country I would think both you and your mother may also have to leave as your permits are dependent on his.
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The answer needed is what is the outcome of your stepfather's case? If he still has a permit then you might get one, but if he's been told to leave the country I would think both you and your mother may also have to leave as your permits are dependent on his.
That is true but the thing is that he was told to leave but instead of leaving he had a case in the court between him and the Migration office and he won it. they still didn't give him back his permit.

Lets say we have to leave, Where? Syria?

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Re: Confirmation from Migrationsamt

Best you get some support from experts on what you can do:
http://www.humanrights.ch/de/beratung/

Look under "Flüchtlinge" or "Migranten". There are also lawyers for free if you need legal advice (Rechtsberatung).

I know it is difficult being in this situation but at least you have support from your girlfriend and probably school. Speak to a teacher you trust, maybe they can help too.

Wish you good luck.
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Prof T beat me to it. I really really feel for you- but there is little anyone on an internet Forum can do- as said, talk to your favourite teacher, the Head of the School, the mediation team at the school- your youth group, Church, any councillors you think maybe sympathetic in your area (probably PS, but not necessarily), etc, your teacher/s and GF's family (do you have them on board or are they negative about your relationship? Bonne chance.
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That is true but the thing is that he was told to leave but instead of leaving he had a case in the court between him and the Migration office and he won it. they still didn't give him back his permit.

Lets say we have to leave, Where? Syria?

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Well, I assume they'll either appeal the case or he'll get a permit eventually.

Yes, the Swiss would expect to return you to Syria. However, given the situation there you would probably be issued with an F permit for provisionally admitted foreigners

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...orlaeufig.html

or possibly an S permit (people in need of protection).

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...duerftige.html
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Re: Confirmation from Migrationsamt

Thank you prof. taratonga and Odile I appreciate what you have said and I have already had great support from my school and girlfriend and I think that more than enough has been done but what I am looking for right know is someone who would tell me according to law why wouldn't I get a confirmation that I am legally if I really am regal or just tell me is it okay in the Swiss law or any law to leave someone with no paper at all? not even an ID card? they even have my passport like I am latterly with nothing. It isn't like I am asking for a B permit or a citizenship it is just a god dam ID
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I'm afraid there is nothing that can be done- and you'll just have to wait, however frustrating that is. If you rock the boat, it may well go against you. You could choose to wirte directly to Simonetta Sommaruga, the Swiss President and head of the Police Department. She has masses of experience- but again, it could actually work against you.

Stay calm, work hard with your exams (bonne chance) and all fingers crossed.
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Well, I assume they'll either appeal the case or he'll get a permit eventually.

Yes, the Swiss would expect to return you to Syria. However, given the situation there you would probably be issued with an F permit for provisionally admitted foreigners

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...orlaeufig.html

or possibly an S permit (people in need of protection).

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...duerftige.html
That is right and I know all these facts but they never answer nor reject our asylum thing. They never even give any sort of identification document which makes us stuck. At least if we are rejected then we have the right to seek asylum somewhere else but not even somewhere else would accept us because switzerland is still looking in our case. What procedure takes 3 years and still not decision made?
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I'm afraid there is nothing that can be done- and you'll just have to wait, however frustrating that is. If you rock the boat, it may well go against you. You could choose to wirte directly to Simonetta Sommaruga, the Swiss President and head of the Police Department. She has masses of experience- but again, it could actually work against you.

Stay calm, work hard with your exams (bonne chance) and all fingers crossed.
I have actually thought of trying to talk to someone important but I always said well maybe next month there gonna be an answer lets just wait. I do believe that it might turn all against me after everything I have done therefore I get even more nervous and frustrated. When I wrote this thread I knew that I might dont find an answer here but this is also a way of venting because if I don't vent at all then I don't know what will happen to me. In my homeland we were 40 years ruled by Al Assad family and we were never allowed to complain about the injustice there and look what happened in the end, the worst civil war in the 21st century I guess. Sometimes I ask myself are we cursed?

I will work hard on my exams and hopefully I can focus and thanks a lot of the comments and for reading this.
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If it wasn't connected to your stepfather it may have been sorted by now. But while that's still rumbling on it puts everything on hold. I'm afraid you're stuck with waiting until the Swiss make a decision one way or the other. Frustration for you and your girlfriend, but there's nothing you can do but wait.
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