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The next step?

Here is an easy situation that I dont yet know the outcome of. But maybe one of you can guide me toward a wiser approach..

I have 3 euros at the moment. A mexican passport.
I have overstayed my tourist visa by a little more than 3 years. But somehow managed to travel to over 7 EU countries.
I am now in switzerland.
I have no family to call.
I have friends that let me come crash on their couch from time to time.

I am the smartest guy I know. Yet I cant figure out this bullshit situation.

I am full of energy and good vibes, peace and harmony.. on this occassion I don't understand the trajectory and the occurrences.

I have yet to find a job that pays cash only.. I feel it is because everyone is afraid of permits and visas and all that mumbo jumbo.
I'm very cool about that. I'll accept a cash paying job and keep it on the down low.

My objective is to make 1, 000 francs and leave on my own terms. All the way to Japan or Australia. Or somewhere warm.

My goals are simple.

All I wish is for my own place with a garden. Warm weather and nice people. I'm quite fed up with this 'swiss life' term.. Like I have to get some top paying job to live my dream. Which I cant get because I'm illegal. And so on and so forth.

But like I said: Im 28. Full of some super natural energy I cannot describe yet. I am here. I have been open, willing and accepting to all the possibilities and opportunities this great grand universe has brought my way... Yet in switzerland the sky is grey.

4 months ago I arrived here purely because it was as far as I could get with my last 20euro from Vienna... But well, part of me wishes to share all my story so you could get a clearer picture. But I'm trying to be as precise as possible with the current situation so that maybe some one here can point me in the right direction.

I am not homeless. Yet I dont have a ing penny. Go figure.
I am not skinny, yet I haven't bought bread in 4 months.
I am not lonely, yet I sleep alone.
I love to love and be loved, yet I'm pushed away because some women say: You must have a lot of women. Not knowing the depths that my love can reach.

In regards to mind and vision. I seem sane, to myself, in the mirror.
In regards to personality, I have yet to meet someone who openly dislikes me. Though I know some may be jealous unreasonably. But that's not my concern.

In regards to initiative; I approach first. I wake up early. I clean my room and wash my dishes. My health and hygiene are precious to me. Physically the god has given me all the attributes of a man accordingly, with no fault.

And so, I resume my question in a more simple way;
I am here, 100% in mind, body and soul.
100 % with vision and dream. (The garden in my own place and a cash paying job)
100 % with love. I have 3 dear friends right now. 3 close ones that I consider friends. Thank the god for them.. And the day I meet the girl with the sun in her eyes, I am in 100% with her too.

But

0% with documents and visas.
2% with language and opportunity.
0% with 'call someone for help'. I alone walk in this world. I alone shall live and outlive this present situation.
And finally, 100% fed up with feeling like the lowest and lowest piece of useless dirt in this country when I am truly capable of adding value to a team and helping others around me achieve their potential.

So where do I go?

I have thought about going to a police station and telling my situation. Hopefully I get deported to mexico. But a small doubt in me says I might get some jail time. I dont know if I'm ready for that.
Another part says, figure it all out in the canton offices. But my 3 euros might not help me when it comes to the paper work I might need to process.. and I will not borrow money for anything.

So... thank you fo reading this far. What would you do in my shoes, if I had shoes and could hypothetically step out of them and hand them to you?
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Re: The next step?

You could go to the Mexican Embassy and ask them to help you get home.
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Re: The next step?

So you're here illegally, working illegally and want advice on where to move on next? Your personality is so great everyone either loves you or is jealous of you.

Sounds like you would be a PERFECT fit in Greece. Warm weather, like-minded people and this 'hippy' style is the trend right now. Oh and yes, cash-only illegal work is the norm there too.

I am not kidding at all actually, do some research on Greece. It's dirt cheap and you can get all the things you mentioned.
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Re: The next step?

It's right there on the tip of my tongue, but... oh, I give up. No, wait! Is it Babybird? Or... Pulp?
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Re: The next step?

Haha nice replies.
About the mexican embassy. I went. No luck because I have no history in mexico. I was born there but grew up in the states. Long story, that would just make me more pathetic for telling it.

About Greece. Sounds like a plan. The language might be the only problem.. and the plane ticket.

Hey but really... I'm sure most of you folks replying wear a suit to work and more than likely work for nestle.. so I won't say much, but know that your opinion is also valued. Even if you work for a corporation that is slowly killing the world.
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Re: The next step?

Yes, you're right, because all expats in Switzerland live in Vevey. Although I think the companies more deserving of that description are located in Lausanne.

But anyway, o non-suit-wearing one, good for you. Having 3 euros is character-building and a great story for your grandchildren. Well, it would be if you could find a girl who'd believe you'd be so kind as to have her, or whatever it is you said.

Good luck!
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Re: The next step?

Ahh dear internet
I pour my heart out to you on some 'helpful' site, and all u send me is a bunch of snobs trying to find a way to diss me... Except for the guy suggesting Greece. I've turned the 3euros into a plane ticket through pokerstars. Talk about luck.
As for the rest... What can I say that hasn't already been said about internet personalities?
Any story I could ever tell, even of tying my shoelaces, would be of more value than your "rank" or status online. So, thanks for the honest input.
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Re: The next step?

Shouldn't you be up in the mountains in a hut right now?
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Re: The next step?

If I were you, I would honestly go to a tourist place, put a hat on the floor and show the world your talents, any talents. Eventually you will make money. If the police catches you tell th you lost everything and HAD to overstay. Just practical advice, no judgment here.
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Ahh dear internet
I pour my heart out to you on some 'helpful' site, and all u send me is a bunch of snobs trying to find a way to diss me... Except for the guy suggesting Greece. I've turned the 3euros into a plane ticket through pokerstars. Talk about luck.
As for the rest... What can I say that hasn't already been said about internet personalities?
Any story I could ever tell, even of tying my shoelaces, would be of more value than your "rank" or status online. So, thanks for the honest input.
That's because you make yourself sound foolish with the story and the way you told it... you are here illegally and dishonestly with no money to support yourself, and on top of that you sound nauseatingly arrogant and unrealistic when describing yourself. I would even go as far as to say mildly delusional.

The only reason you came here, to a country known for being tough on immigration, is because "it was as far as you could get with you last 20euro from Vienna", which is hardly a respectable reason deserving of any empathy. Nothing about what you are doing seems "smart" to me, if you have ended up in a country where you cannot work and have no means to support yourself. In fact, I would say that is the absolute opposite of "smart".

So yeah, as you can maybe tell, my levels of sympathy for your self-inflicted situation are not so high.

Because this is a public internet forum, people will response negatively as well as positively, especially to a story that reads like pure BS. If you cannot deal with or understand that, then maybe your character isn't as well balanced as you think.

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Re: The next step?

I tell you, perfect material for Greece! Go for it, when you get there go and find a Syriza office and register. Claim asylum and tell them you are opressed by the evil capitalists.

One way ticket to paradise. Don't worry about Greek, find a job in an island and you'll be fine.
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Ahh dear internet
I pour my heart out to you on some 'helpful' site, and all u send me is a bunch of snobs trying to find a way to diss me... Except for the guy suggesting Greece. I've turned the 3euros into a plane ticket through pokerstars. Talk about luck.
As for the rest... What can I say that hasn't already been said about internet personalities?
Any story I could ever tell, even of tying my shoelaces, would be of more value than your "rank" or status online. So, thanks for the honest input.
1. I suggested the Embassy, I didn't "diss you" ….. and I don't wear a suit.
2. You could have phrased you post better if you wanted more sympathy.
3. I'm interested to know how you played online poker with what I assumed to be 3€ in cash??
4. Where are you getting the plane ticket to? If it is outside of Schengen, you'll be flagged up as an over-stayer.
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Re: The next step?

"Everyone who doesn't agree with me wears a suit and slowly kills the planet"

"Yeah, I got a plane ticket"

Thanks and goodbye, guru.
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Re: The next step?

So, if you spent your last 20 Euros how did you expect to rent a hut up in the mountains for the winter?

Living somewhere high in the mountains

Basically, you're someone who doesn't believe in living by society's rules and regs, want to mooch off your friends, not work unless you can avoid paying tax on it, flout every country in the world's tourist rules and you're fine with that.

Frankly, I go with turn yourself in at the nearest police station. You deserve jail time and to be deported. At 28 you should have grown up by now, got a proper job and funnily enough actually respect the rules others make to live by if you want to visit their countries. The rest of the world manages it so why can't you?

You're fed up with feeling like the lowest and like dirt, well to the Swiss (and everyone else probably) you are. You've no education from the sounds of it, certainly no qualifications that are likely to enable you to get a job and you're breaking every rule in the book by still being here. I suspect from what you say, you were probably illegally in the States too. You try and flout the non-EU hiring rules by getting a job without a permit then complain when no one is stupid enough to hire you and risk their own status in the country. It's simple, no one in any country (at least in Europe) will pay you cash for doing any work because it's illegal to do so. There are taxes that have to be paid so cash in hand for work was stamped out years ago.

Please, please, mooch off your friends one last time and go back to Mexico, settle down to a proper job (which you will need if you want to afford that house and garden you speak of) and maybe you might find a woman who'll love you. The way you are at the moment? No chance of any of that.

And just in case, by some wild stretch of the imagination, you're wondering what the non-EU hiring rules are they're here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html
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Re: The next step?

Have a read of this… you are unlikely to be detained

http://ec.europa.eu/immigration/what...try_en#anchor1
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Ohhh shit... wow... What can I even say?
Since none of us will ever meet in real life, but just on the coincidence that we do, Im gonna say, thank you all for the responses. May this same flow of words continue to be evident in your personal life, as am sure it already is.
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Ohhh shit... wow... What can I even say?
Since none of us will ever meet in real life, but just on the coincidence that we do, Im gonna say, thank you all for the responses. May this same flow of words continue to be evident in your personal life, as am sure it already is.
So, what is your plan?
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So, what is your plan?
My plan is to think twice before attempting to tell a short version of my life on the internet with hopes of receiving some solid advice.. Or at least not just click on googles first result when searching

Second, I plan to think things very thoroughly and take my emotions a bit away. You see, your advice
Is quite real and easy. Go to the police station. Show my passport. Get deported. Done.

However, the side of me that has tried to live by society's rules continues to be crushed daily. Not only by authority but also at times through the likes of stupid comments like the ones we have seen here. People saying I should do this and do that because everyone else has to. I can honestly say, you. I will do it my way, which ever way I please.
And so, to make a long comment short, if I cannot make a 'legal' contribution to this swiss society, I can answer the call of lesser known, more lucrative businesses. Where people ONLY pay cash for the product they wish to purchase.

So I guess my plan is simple. Give a and try to be accepted by people who are living "acceptably" with residence permits, driver's license and apartment leases. Or not give a and be king of the hill, drive a porsche with no license, and be hated by everyone who has to work 70 hours a week and can only express their true sentiment on the english forum...

Friends, money is floating in the air in switzerland. Yesterday I had 3 euros. Today I have more. But what is important here is not the money or the situation, its the sound of the people.
The sound of love.
The sound of dreams.
More and more I meet people reflecting the same attitudes I see on this forum. People with no dreams, no imagination. Just working. Escaping on the weekend to a bar. Or skiing.
Shit. Its the saddest irony. The richest people in the world with the poorest attitudes. So I see why my brother Charlie Chaplin is celebrated. He is truly one in a million. How many swiss people you see out in the world celebrating life and promoting the young generations success?

But don't let me rant about the negativity I see. Thats not the point.

The point is; I'm sure I can contribute to this society in this way, raising the consciousness of a society that believes it is the best in the world, the richest in the world, but does not know an authentic smile or a true heart. Swiss people are people of the mind, always planning, always calculating.. This is the root of unhappiness. ..

So how will I contribute? Respond to the negativity by providing the suits with their weekend 'escape' and then spending that money on clothes and food and bullshit? Or really try to get a real job and be treated less than human?
Well like I said.. let me put my emotions aside for just a bit.

I have a dream. And my plan is to accept the next step that will take me there. Whatever that may be
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Re: The next step?

Like someone said, also in case your story isn't true, it's well invented ...


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The richest people in the world with the poorest attitudes. So I see why my brother Charlie Chaplin is celebrated. He is truly one in a million. How many swiss people you see out in the world celebrating life and promoting the young generations success?
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You do realize that most of the people answering here are foreigners i.e. non-Swiss, given that you are posting in an expat forum, don't you?


Guess how much the Swiss love those people ...

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Here is an easy situation that I dont yet know the outcome of. But maybe one of you can guide me toward a wiser approach..

I have 3 euros at the moment. A mexican passport.
I have overstayed my tourist visa by a little more than 3 years. But somehow managed to travel to over 7 EU countries.
I am now in switzerland.
I have no family to call.
I have friends that let me come crash on their couch from time to time.

I am the smartest guy I know. Yet I cant figure out this bullshit situation.

I am full of energy and good vibes, peace and harmony.. on this occassion I don't understand the trajectory and the occurrences.

I have yet to find a job that pays cash only.. I feel it is because everyone is afraid of permits and visas and all that mumbo jumbo.
I'm very cool about that. I'll accept a cash paying job and keep it on the down low.

My objective is to make 1, 000 francs and leave on my own terms. All the way to Japan or Australia. Or somewhere warm.

My goals are simple.

All I wish is for my own place with a garden. Warm weather and nice people. I'm quite fed up with this 'swiss life' term.. Like I have to get some top paying job to live my dream. Which I cant get because I'm illegal. And so on and so forth.

But like I said: Im 28. Full of some super natural energy I cannot describe yet. I am here. I have been open, willing and accepting to all the possibilities and opportunities this great grand universe has brought my way... Yet in switzerland the sky is grey.

4 months ago I arrived here purely because it was as far as I could get with my last 20euro from Vienna... But well, part of me wishes to share all my story so you could get a clearer picture. But I'm trying to be as precise as possible with the current situation so that maybe some one here can point me in the right direction.

I am not homeless. Yet I dont have a ing penny. Go figure.
I am not skinny, yet I haven't bought bread in 4 months.
I am not lonely, yet I sleep alone.
I love to love and be loved, yet I'm pushed away because some women say: You must have a lot of women. Not knowing the depths that my love can reach.

In regards to mind and vision. I seem sane, to myself, in the mirror.
In regards to personality, I have yet to meet someone who openly dislikes me. Though I know some may be jealous unreasonably. But that's not my concern.

In regards to initiative; I approach first. I wake up early. I clean my room and wash my dishes. My health and hygiene are precious to me. Physically the god has given me all the attributes of a man accordingly, with no fault.

And so, I resume my question in a more simple way;
I am here, 100% in mind, body and soul.
100 % with vision and dream. (The garden in my own place and a cash paying job)
100 % with love. I have 3 dear friends right now. 3 close ones that I consider friends. Thank the god for them.. And the day I meet the girl with the sun in her eyes, I am in 100% with her too.

But

0% with documents and visas.
2% with language and opportunity.
0% with 'call someone for help'. I alone walk in this world. I alone shall live and outlive this present situation.
And finally, 100% fed up with feeling like the lowest and lowest piece of useless dirt in this country when I am truly capable of adding value to a team and helping others around me achieve their potential.

So where do I go?

I have thought about going to a police station and telling my situation. Hopefully I get deported to mexico. But a small doubt in me says I might get some jail time. I dont know if I'm ready for that.
Another part says, figure it all out in the canton offices. But my 3 euros might not help me when it comes to the paper work I might need to process.. and I will not borrow money for anything.

So... thank you fo reading this far. What would you do in my shoes, if I had shoes and could hypothetically step out of them and hand them to you?
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Haha nice replies.
About the mexican embassy. I went. No luck because I have no history in mexico. I was born there but grew up in the states. Long story, that would just make me more pathetic for telling it.

About Greece. Sounds like a plan. The language might be the only problem.. and the plane ticket.

Hey but really... I'm sure most of you folks replying wear a suit to work and more than likely work for nestle.. so I won't say much, but know that your opinion is also valued. Even if you work for a corporation that is slowly killing the world.

I smell a fish
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