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wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

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I am living in London holding Indian passport and Indefinite Leave to Remain permit in UK.

I have one fll time job and a part time as well with 40 hrs and 20 hrs contract. I had 2 weeks holiday booked so I planned a short trip to Swiss and Paris. I received a Schengen multi entry visa from Swiss embassy London. However when I applied for my wife and daughters tourist visa from Mumbai embassy their refused them twice. I provided all the necessary paper work as per their guidelines including all my documents from London. I have enough funds also currently employed in two separate jobs.
My wife had UK visitors visa refusal twice in 2013. At that time I was on Tier 1 visa and my visa was expiring in two months at the time of her application.

I received my ILR after two months and I went to India to see her. She delivered our baby last year. Since then I didn't apply because she was pregnant and I didn't wanted to bring her on tourist visa. We are planning to apply for dependent visa for UK later this year.

Since I had this holiday I planned this trip to Europe. To my horror their visa is refused. First time reason was I have not given enough justification for the purposes of trip and they won't return back after visa expiry. Second time they removed the first point and kept the second point on the refusal letter.
I am really confused why they are doing this. I am a UK resident and a genuine person why would thy won't return to India from Europe if I am returning back k to London.

I am now planning to appeal. Can someone kindly please suggest me on this?

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Old 08.03.2015, 16:31
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Re: wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

One thing you ought to know about Swiss bureaucracy is that you can argue and appeal until you are blue in the face, but they will not change their minds.

A schengen visa is a schengen visa, but I wonder if you would have had more luck at the French embassy?
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Re: wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

".... trip and they won't return back after visa expiry."

That is the reason. I know it's a stupid logic (oxymoron here ) but I have heard from other friends from India re problems for dependent visa. Same applies to tourist also I guess. ..

I really don't know what you can do in this situation, esp considering the two earlier rejections.

Best would be to consult an immigration lawyer, you will probably need one when you apply for the residence permit for your wife and kid eventually.

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Re: wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

So why were you refused a UK visa (twice......)
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Re: wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

From the Swiss point of view I suspect they're most likely wondering why your wife and child don't live with you in the UK. That sort of makes you suspect in trying to get them into Switzerland/Schengen on a tourist visa and then getting them into the UK from here. Not necessarily logical as the UK isn't part of Schengen, but there you are.
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I am a UK resident and a genuine person why would thy won't return to India from Europe if I am returning back k to London.
But that may well be the problem - where is the motivation for your wife and baby to return to India? For the officials point of view it is far more likely they would try and remain with you rather than return to India.
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Re: wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

Hello ,
But I am not going to leave my Jobs in London and live in Switzerland when I can bring them to UK on a Settlement visa.
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Re: wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

Its just for holiday right? Why the continued appeals? Spend your GBP where they appreciate it.
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Its just for holiday right? Why the continued appeals? Spend your GBP where they appreciate it.
Because he's already spent the GBPs? On bookings etc...
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Re: wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

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I have spent Money. We can travel where ever we want to. I am saying their decision is unfair I have enough proofs. Anyway I am living in England which is far more stronger than Swiss. I was going to spend Money there.
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I have spent Money.
Might have be wise to get visa before making bookings…. or make refundable bookings.

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We can travel where ever we want to.
Apparently you can't.
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Re: wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

The Swiss embassy can not issue a visa for a country which does not exists.
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Might have be wise to get visa before making bookings…. or make refundable bookings.
Especially when his wife has had visa applications refused twice before.
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Re: wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

So write off Switzerland and choose somewhere else.
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From the Swiss point of view I suspect they're most likely wondering why your wife and child don't live with you in the UK. That sort of makes you suspect in trying to get them into Switzerland/Schengen on a tourist visa and then getting them into the UK from here. Not necessarily logical as the UK isn't part of Schengen, but there you are.
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Also, why would you book a trip if not all participants have visa or some other kind of permits of visiting the respective country/countries? Remember that a visa application is called an application for a reason - you don't just fill a form and are good to go, but it may be declined any time.

If this really is just a vacation, simply go somewhere else, Switzerland isn't the only place to visit.


However, I am also wondering why your wife was denied a UK visa twice. This seems strange indeed and I'm not sure if you're telling the whole story.
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Re: wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

To apply for swiss/schengen visa, from India, along with the application forms, one needs to provide the booking details (that includes the confirmed flight tickets and hotel bookings) so there is no way to first apply for the visa and then book the rest later. However some kind of refundable booking might have helped in financial terms.

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Re: wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

I wouldn't plan travel plans on travel visa until your appeal based on very concrete family reunification rights has been launched. Take care of the UK refusals 1st, appeal, then sort trips to other countries...(Prague is also a nice place to spend time vacationing, visa friendlier, great for family trips, 10x cheaper).
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But I am not going to leave my Jobs in London and live in Switzerland when I can bring them to UK on a Settlement visa.
So, why haven't you done that till now ?

Or if you wanted to travel to Schengen countries, why didn't you go to India and applied for the visa together with your family ?

Since you applied your visa separately from your family was a straight signal to consider your case specially and with 2 visa refusals before from UK didn't actually help, no ?
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Re: wife and infant tourist visa refused from mumbai

I think part of the problem is that you're applying for a tourist visa that doesn't bring them to the UK, but to another country entirely. I suspect that what you're trying to do isn't "normal" in the eyes of the bureaucracy. Anyone wanting to invite someone to Switzerland on a tourist visa has to be resident here and provide the required info/documents to show they can support them. I know you've done that, but you're resident in the UK, not Switzerland so it's no wonder the answer was "no".

I agree with MusicChick, get the family reunification sorted out first. Cut your losses, see if you can get any kind of refund on the holiday or just go on your own. Throwing money at a lawyer is unlikely to change the decision and will only cost you more money.
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Also, why would you book a trip if not all participants have visa or some other kind of permits of visiting the respective country/countries?
Well this is a catch 22 - many countries want to see a hotel or plane booking for the visa application itself. India requires a return ticket for the visa application, for example - so what can you do?
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