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Old 12.03.2015, 18:22
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Can I lose my permit?

Hey there

I don't know if there's already a post around here with this question but I didn't find one, so.. I'm planning to move and I'm already sending CV's to a few cities where I'm interested to live, but none of those cities is located in the canton where I'm living right now.
Someone said to me today that if I'm going to change from a canton to another there's a risk I can have my permit denied or modified, depending on if I have a job or not and if I do, what kind of contract they'll present me with, ...

Right now I have the B permit.
Moving to a different canton, would it be a possibility for them to change it to L permit for instance, depending on the contract I might sign?
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Hey there

I don't know if there's already a post around here with this question but I didn't find one, so.. I'm planning to move and I'm already sending CV's to a few cities where I'm interested to live, but none of those cities is located in the canton where I'm living right now.
Someone said to me today that if I'm going to change from a canton to another there's a risk I can have my permit denied or modified, depending on if I have a job or not and if I do, what kind of contract they'll present me with, ...

Right now I have the B permit.
Moving to a different canton, would it be a possibility for them to change it to L permit for instance, depending on the contract I might sign?
You're Portuguese. If you have a short term contract (less than a year) you will get an L permit. If you have a long term contract, you will get a B permit.
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Re: Can I lose my permit?

Are you EU ?

Then the answer is No, you don't have to worry.You have free Geographical Mobility
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Are you EU ?

Then the answer is No, you don't have to worry.You have free Geographical Mobility
Link : https://www.ch.ch/en/working-switzerland-eu-efta/

Working in Switzerland as a citizen of an EU/EFTA member state

Citizens from EU-17 states and EU-8 states enjoy full freedom of movement. This means that citizens of those countries are free to travel to Switzerland, and to live and work here. Admission restrictions still apply for citizens of Romania and Bulgaria. Special rules also apply to citizens of Croatia, which joined the EU on 1 July 2013.
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You're Portuguese. If you have a short term contract (less than a year) you will get an L permit. If you have a long term contract, you will get a B permit.


OP already has a B Permit
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Old 12.03.2015, 18:41
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Re: Can I lose my permit?

well yes, I'm portuguese and I'm living in Switzerland already and I have a B permit... my question is if I can lose it just by moving to a different canton. Because I really want to move but I don't want they to change my B permit for a L permit or something like that..
I really don't get these rules. If I have a B permit it should work the same way all over the country!
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Re: Can I lose my permit?

As far as I know based on your situation, you can not lose the permit.

The problem only arises if you are married to a Swiss citizen and have a B permit. In that case you need to have an un-interrupted stay in your canton, otherwise the rules of other cantons set in when you move and the years counted can be reset.

Those are my two cents on the topic.
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well yes, I'm portuguese and I'm living in Switzerland already and I have a B permit... my question is if I can lose it just by moving to a different canton. Because I really want to move but I don't want they to change my B permit for a L permit or something like that..
I really don't get these rules. If I have a B permit it should work the same way all over the country!

You cannot lose your permit on changing Canton.

You cannot be degraded to L Permit on changing Canton.

Yes, your B Permit (EU) is for the whole of Switzerland.

Somehow I get a feeling , you are still not satisfied with the answers
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As far as I know based on your situation, you can not lose the permit.

The problem only arises if you are married to a Swiss citizen and have a B permit. In that case you need to have an un-interrupted stay in your canton, otherwise the rules of other cantons set in when you move and the years counted can be reset.

Those are my two cents on the topic.
No, I'm not married. I got my permit when I got a job.
Thanks for the enlightenment

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You cannot lose your permit on changing Canton.

You cannot be degraded to L Permit on changing Canton.

Yes, your B Permit (EU) is for the whole of Switzerland.

Somehow I get a feeling , you are still not satisfied with the answers
Thank you so much for the enlightenment

Well, yeah I'm living here completely alone and it's the first time I'm so alone and in a different country. Then people say this and other people say that... and sometimes I feel like I have to ask to everyone, everywhere, just to be sure ahahah

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No, I'm not married. I got my permit when I got a job.
Thanks for the enlightenment
Then you will be fine. Do not worry .

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Thank you so much for the enlightenment

Well, yeah I'm living here completely alone and it's the first time I'm so alone and in a different country. Then people say this and other people say that... and sometimes I feel like I have to ask to everyone, everywhere, just to be sure ahahah
The best option is just to go to your Kreis Büro and ask directly there. People will give you other answers, but the officials will tell you the correct thing.

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The best option is just to go to your Kreis Büro and ask directly there. People will give you other answers, but the officials will tell you the correct thing.
yes you're right of course.. I did that when people started telling me I needed to work more than a year to have an unemployment subsidy. I've been here for more than a year now and everyone always told me I needed to work for a year... then when I want to move and start talking about the possibility of being fired, I start hearing people tell me that I needed 2 years or a year and a half. So yeah, I went to the right place to be sure. But sometimes it can be a lot of work to speak french and so I thought.. ok I'm gonna ask in the forum x)

well anyway, thank you
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Re: Can I lose my permit?

If the OP was to change canton…. and when going to register, produces her new work contract (as she has a new job hence the canton change), if this contract was a short term contract would she not be then given a L-permit?
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The problem only arises if you are married to a Swiss citizen and have a B permit. In that case you need to have an un-interrupted stay in your canton, otherwise the rules of other cantons set in when you move and the years counted can be reset.
What are you talking about?

What years get reset?

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Old 12.03.2015, 19:21
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What are you talking about?

What years get reset?
Wild guess - he's talking about C-permit requirements or maybe facilitated naturalization. As far as I know, B-permits don't have timelines that get reset when you move.
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Wild guess - he's talking about C-permit requirements or maybe facilitated naturalization. As far as I know, B-permits don't have timelines that get reset when you move.
If you are married to a Swiss, and are looking for facilitated naturalization, there is nothing to reset, so I don't get his point. There is only federal criteria, no cantonal or communal.

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If the OP was to change canton…. and when going to register, produces her new work contract (as she has a new job hence the canton change), if this contract was a short term contract would she not be then given a L-permit?
Probably not as she is EU and has worked here for more than a year so would be eligible to stay and claim unemployment benefit when the contract ended if she didn't have another job.
An EU B permit allows you to move cantons and change jobs without affecting the permit status.
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Wild guess - he's talking about C-permit requirements or maybe facilitated naturalization. As far as I know, B-permits don't have timelines that get reset when you move.
Yes for facilitated naturalization. Federal level does not change but cantonal does count. A german friend of mine is married to a swiss and since they were moving all the time in between cantons, it took him 12 years to getthe passport, even though they are married for over 8 years now.

There is a clause which states that one must have an un-interrupted stay in the canton. Well, at least that is what my swiss friends told me.
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Yes for facilitated naturalization. Federal level does not change but cantonal does count. A german friend of mine is married to a swiss and since they were moving all the time in between cantons, it took him 12 years to getthe passport, even though they are married for over 8 years now.

There is a clause which states that one must have an un-interrupted stay in the canton. Well, at least that is what my swiss friends told me.
That is not true. You just have to have lived a total of 5 years in Switzerland (not continuous), including 1 year in Switzerland before you apply.
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Yes for facilitated naturalization. Federal level does not change but cantonal does count. A german friend of mine is married to a swiss and since they were moving all the time in between cantons, it took him 12 years to getthe passport, even though they are married for over 8 years now.

There is a clause which states that one must have an un-interrupted stay in the canton. Well, at least that is what my swiss friends told me.
No. As Island Monkey says, that only applies for regular naturalisation - not facilitated. The cantonal residency requirements for regular naturalisation are listed here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...tzfristen.html

Regular naturalisation is outlined here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...uergerung.html

Facilitated requirements are here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...uergerung.html

There must have been some other reason your friend didn't qualify. Could be with the constant moving around the Federal government didn't feel he was integrated enough. And how long have they actually lived in Switzerland? That has a bearing on it too.
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No. As Island Monkey says, that only applies for regular naturalisation - not facilitated. The cantonal residency requirements for regular naturalisation are listed here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...tzfristen.html

Regular naturalisation is outlined here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...uergerung.html

Facilitated requirements are here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...uergerung.html

There must have been some other reason your friend didn't qualify. Could be with the constant moving around the Federal government didn't feel he was integrated enough. And how long have they actually lived in Switzerland? That has a bearing on it too.

Thank you. That is interesting and I see there is nothing there about moving having an impact. Do not know why I was under that impression.

The friend is german, here for 13 years, married for 8. he and his partner kept moving in between Zürich and outside. Took 12 years for him to get the pass. O clue why. Just know that.

Btw. Didn't Zürich try last year to place a clause for having to have stayed in zürich for 6 years for a foriegn spouse to get citizenship via facilitated process a? And this was shot down after the voting process. I remember something like that.
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