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Old 30.03.2015, 22:38
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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

Just posting an update. The form came in the mail today. It was a standard B-permit renewal with no mention of C permit. OH and I stopped by the Gemeinde this afternoon. A few of my questions have been answered. Paraphrased answers below, in case perhaps the info can help someone else in Kanton Bern.

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Does a C-permit take any longer to process than a B? i.e. is a 4-8 week timeline reasonable?
How long is a piece of string? If there are not many applications and all my papers are in order it could take as little as two weeks. OTOH with the Easter holiday there could be a few delays and it could take up to six. Eight would be exceptional. Of course I'm hoping it's toward the shorter end.

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What documentation do I need to start gathering, if any?
I will need:

1. A debt register extract (Betreibungsauszug). I generated the form in German from Bern's website here. It has to be printed, signed, and mailed with a copy of my current permit. The cost is 17 Francs plus postage, and they will bill me.

2. A criminal records extract (Strafregisterauszug). I was able to request and pay for this online. Note - I am providing the link in English but if you understand a national language it is actually clearer to do in French, German or Italian - because the English translations of the words are a tad confusing and you might make a mistake. You can also go in person to the post office and pay there. The cost is 20 Francs and has to be paid up front. Recommend you do not use the Firefox browser for this, as for some reason all fields did not display and I had to switch to IE to see them and complete the process.

3. Proof that I've not been on social help (Sozialdienst). I have to call an office in our district for instructions and cost, as there's no website info for it.

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What's the cost for the C-permit?
The Gemeinde folks didn't know. They gave me handouts from 2009 so I'm guessing they don't see many of these...

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I'll also be eligible to start facilitated naturalization in a few months. I assume I should wait to start that until after the C-permit is in my hands?
Yes, but only because we've not quite been married for 5 years and that's a requirement for the naturalization paperwork.
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Yes, but only because we've not quite been married for 5 years and that's a requirement for the naturalization paperwork.
You only need to have been married for 3 years! 3 years married, but a total of 5 years living in Switzerland (not continuous) and living the last year in Switzerland.
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You only need to have been married for 3 years! 3 years married, but a total of 5 years living in Switzerland (not continuous) and living the last year in Switzerland.
I believe 3wishes came to Switzerland after getting married so the 5 years living here means 5 years married in her case.
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I believe 3wishes came to Switzerland after getting married so the 5 years living here means 5 years married in her case.
Yup. I moved here one week after getting married.

Edit - Thanks, Belgianmum. So yes, it seems one can request C-permit before the end of the 5th year to have it for the 6th but you can't apply for facilitated naturalization until that magic date of actually being here 5 years has passed.

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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

Another update. I need all of the following originals to be attached to my C-permit application or it will not be accepted:

1. A debt register extract - The extract has arrived, but not the bill.

2. A criminal records extract - I made a mistake with this. Even though you can make the request and payment online, you still must print it out and sign it, then mail with a copy of your current permit.

3. Proof that I've not been on social help - I called the office for our district, and they said I had to write a letter requesting the Bescheinigung (certificate), and mail that with a copy of my permit (sounding familiar?) Did that and the letter confirming no social help has arrived.

I'm pretty annoyed I made the mistake on the criminal records extract, as that just delays paperwork further.
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Another update. I need all of the following originals to be attached to my C-permit application or it will not be accepted:

1. A debt register extract - The extract has arrived, but not the bill.

2. A criminal records extract - I made a mistake with this. Even though you can make the request and payment online, you still must print it out and sign it, then mail with a copy of your current permit.

3. Proof that I've not been on social help - I called the office for our district, and they said I had to write a letter requesting the Bescheinigung (certificate), and mail that with a copy of my permit (sounding familiar?) Did that and the letter confirming no social help has arrived.

I'm pretty annoyed I made the mistake on the criminal records extract, as that just delays paperwork further.
Criminal record extract comes through pretty quickly if I remember rightly.
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Criminal record extract comes through pretty quickly if I remember rightly.
Good old Swiss. On the application you actually print (which I didn't get the first time round thanks to the browser issue) it says if I mail today using A-post the extract should arrive by the 16th.
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Another update. I need all of the following originals to be attached to my C-permit application or it will not be accepted:

1. A debt register extract - The extract has arrived, but not the bill.

2. A criminal records extract - I made a mistake with this. Even though you can make the request and payment online, you still must print it out and sign it, then mail with a copy of your current permit.

3. Proof that I've not been on social help - I called the office for our district, and they said I had to write a letter requesting the Bescheinigung (certificate), and mail that with a copy of my permit (sounding familiar?) Did that and the letter confirming no social help has arrived.

I'm pretty annoyed I made the mistake on the criminal records extract, as that just delays paperwork further.
You can ask for the criminal extract at the post office. It's very quick. I took no more than 2 days.
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You can ask for the criminal extract at the post office. It's very quick. I took no more than 2 days.
Yes, that was an option but as they removed the post office in our village it's quite a trek for me to get to another one. Thus why I thought online would be easier. However the browser issue added complications I didn't expect. I did manage to re-generate the application with OH's help and get it printed and signed. Will drop in the mail today.
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Good old Swiss. On the application you actually print (which I didn't get the first time round thanks to the browser issue) it says if I mail today using A-post the extract should arrive by the 16th.
It will probably come much quicker, last time I applied I had it within a week.
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Another update. I need all of the following originals to be attached to my C-permit application or it will not be accepted:

1. A debt register extract - The extract has arrived, but not the bill.

2. A criminal records extract - I made a mistake with this. Even though you can make the request and payment online, you still must print it out and sign it, then mail with a copy of your current permit.

3. Proof that I've not been on social help - I called the office for our district, and they said I had to write a letter requesting the Bescheinigung (certificate), and mail that with a copy of my permit (sounding familiar?) Did that and the letter confirming no social help has arrived.

I'm pretty annoyed I made the mistake on the criminal records extract, as that just delays paperwork further.
Just going through the same process and in addition to the 3 documents stated above, I have to supply a German A2 certificate from the Goethe Institute or TELC. I do have an A2 certificate . . just not from either of those 2 institutes . . . .mmm
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Just going through the same process and in addition to the 3 documents stated above, I have to supply a German A2 certificate from the Goethe Institute or TELC. I do have an A2 certificate . . just not from either of those 2 institutes . . . .mmm
Fortunately for me, Bern does not yet require a certificate. But I hear that's in the works. Actually I could pass A2 but I am not in the mood to go to the expense until I'm at a better level.

Do you happen to have one of the others that is mentioned in this language on the ZH site (link just shared by another member in another thread):

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Zertifikat, das der Ausländerin / dem Ausländer bescheinigt, die deutsche Sprache in Niveau A2 (schriftlich und mündlich) zu beherrschen. Die akzeptierten Sprachzertifikate sind dasTELC, Goethe sowie das ÖSD Zertifikat. Zudem werden Diplome des allegra Sprachzentrums akzeptiert, da diese aufgrund einer TELC-Prüfung erteilt werden.

Roughly translated - they accept TELC, Goethe, ÖSD (Austrian), and Allegra - if I am reading it right.
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Do you happen to have one of the others that is mentioned in this language on the ZH site (link just shared by another member in another thread):
Roughly translated - they accept TELC, Goethe, ÖSD (Austrian), and Allegra - if I am reading it right.
Unfortunately not - the company I work for sponsored the language lessons and have a lost standing relationship with The Language Centre, in Baden (TLC . . . that`s almost TELC) - I only have 2 weeks in which to present all the documentation so there is no chance of fulfilling the language requirements in that time - making it interesting as to what they are going to do because currently I have no pass - the B permit expired at the end of March.
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Unfortunately not - the company I work for sponsored the language lessons and have a lost standing relationship with The Language Centre, in Baden (TLC . . . that`s almost TELC) - I only have 2 weeks in which to present all the documentation so there is no chance of fulfilling the language requirements in that time - making it interesting as to what they are going to do because currently I have no pass - the B permit expired at the end of March.
In that case, give them a copy of the certificate you have and cross your fingers. At the very least you'll get another B, I should think...
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. . . . I will let you know the outcome . . . watch this space.
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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

You are not able to fill the paperwork for your C permit before the expiry of your B. I remember thinking I need to sort this about a month before the expiry of B. When I went to the Auslanderamt in Zug they told me my B had run its full time before I could apply. One tip take a copy of your B permit before you hand it in with the C application. I was very concerned when travelling during the waiting time for the C permit but the Amt told me although I was running around with no paper it was in order as the application was pending. Also if I remember correctly I think the C permit was about 150 CHF. I hope this info helps.
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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

So just to update - I went to the Migrationsamt in Zürich today.
In the end I needed the following documents for consideration for a C permit:
  1. Bestätigung from the local Gemeinde stating that I had not beeen living on socal help in the last 3 years - this took 5 minutes, cost 17chf.
  • Bestätiging from employer stating that I am in full time regular employement - obviously an easy one.
  • Confirmation from the Betreibungs register stating that I have no open debts or have had any - this took 5 minutes - cost - zero.
  • Certificate of having passed German level A2 - must be from either Goethe Institute, or TELC - this I did not have but gave them my A2+ certificate from TLC (The Language Company).
The person there was very friendly and said that I would hear within 2 weeks if they would accept the language certificate - he told me that my German was good - but that it was not his decision. To be honest, I am expecting to be still on a new B pass this time in 2 weeks.


One final point - I read in the paper today, that it is planned that every Ausländerausweis will be changed from a paper document to a credit card style - planned to be introduced by 2018 I think.
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Thanks for your thoughts. Perhaps things have changed since you applied for your permit? See my update below.

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So just to update - I went to the Migrationsamt in Zürich today...
Thanks for the update. My criminal records extract came on the 16th as promised, but since our municipal office is open limited hours we dropped by this afternoon. All the paperwork is in order so they accepted it.

The guy at the office told us that the decision will be made by the Federal Office of Migration (FOM), which sounded strange as I thought the canton was also involved. Maybe it's because I'm married to a Swiss?

He estimated it would take about 4 weeks and I'll either get another B or a they'll give me a C. I should not call them, just watch the Post for a letter telling me to come get whatever permit has been issued. LOL glad that's all clear.
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Thanks for your thoughts. Perhaps things have changed since you applied for your permit? See my update below.



Thanks for the update. My criminal records extract came on the 16th as promised, but since our municipal office is open limited hours we dropped by this afternoon. All the paperwork is in order so they accepted it.

The guy at the office told us that the decision will be made by the Federal Office of Migration (FOM), which sounded strange as I thought the canton was also involved. Maybe it's because I'm married to a Swiss?

He estimated it would take about 4 weeks and I'll either get another B or a they'll give me a C. I should not call them, just watch the Post for a letter telling me to come get whatever permit has been issued. LOL glad that's all clear.
Just like citizenship, permits for people married to Swiss are regulated at the federal level. The cantons/communes can only object under strict criteria.

It'll be fine. You'll get a C. If not, I'll buy you lunch.
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Just like citizenship, permits for people married to Swiss are regulated at the federal level. The cantons/communes can only object under strict criteria.

It'll be fine. You'll get a C. If not, I'll buy you lunch.
Aww, but you're only buying lunch if I get a B?
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