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Old 20.04.2015, 22:45
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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

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Aww, but you're only buying lunch if I get a B?
I guess if you get a C, then YOU buy the lunch!
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Aww, but you're only buying lunch if I get a B?
I didn't get this diamond tiara by buying everyone on a B permit lunch!

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I guess if you get a C, then YOU buy the lunch!
Now we're talking!
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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

Dear Englishforum members and all

I am new to the Englishforum and amazed looking at the members who contribute very much to help others without any expectation which made me to share my experience.

@3wishes, I do not know about canton Bern but I recently got my C permit without submitting any of the documents. I received the usual letter informing the expiry of my B permit with the renewal form. When I went to the commune to submit it then the person in the counter informed me that I could request for a C permit and asked whether am I interested in for which I said yes. Then he asked me to pay 30CHF more than it was mentioned in the letter. Once paid, he given me the receipt where it was mentioned C permit. I forgot to ask how long does it take to receive the new permit and neither he told me about it. I believed that I might receive within couple of weeks or else at least before my B permit got expired but in fact I did not receive anything until after 2 months and one week after my B permit got expired. Having said that,I did not bother to call them to ask about it but after waiting for 12 weeks then I received a registered letter from Bern, which was a C permit for 5 years. The color and design of the permit was just the same but only the number on the right-end and the name of the permit was changed.

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Old 22.04.2015, 10:52
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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

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I recently got my C permit without submitting any of the documents.
So just to check - you did not submit the language certificates, etc., and your C permit application was granted?

Are you by chance a citizen of one of the countries excepted from the requirement because of reciprocal treaties ( These are Belgium, Germany, Denmark, France, Liechtenstein, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Austria, Portugal, Spain), or married to a Swiss citizen or one of the special cases?

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Old 22.04.2015, 11:45
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So just to check - you did not submit the language certificates, etc., and your C permit application was granted?

Are you by chance a citizen of one of the countries excepted from the requirement because of reciprocal treaties ( These are Belgium, Germany, Denmark, France, Liechtenstein, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Austria, Portugal, Spain), or married to a Swiss citizen or one of the special cases?
As with most things here it varies from canton to canton.

There is no language requirement to get a C permit in Neuchâtel for example even if you're not from one of those countries, married to a Swiss or a special case. My husband and son ( both UK) got theirs without providing any documentation at all other than the completed B renewal form.
There may be a language requirement for non EU nationals who request an early C permit here but I'm not 100% sure on that.
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So just to check - you did not submit the language certificates, etc., and your C permit application was granted?

Are you by chance a citizen of one of the countries excepted from the requirement because of reciprocal treaties ( These are Belgium, Germany, Denmark, France, Liechtenstein, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Austria, Portugal, Spain), or married to a Swiss citizen or one of the special cases?
@meloncollie, I am married to a Swiss citizen. Actually before getting C permit I got a two year B permit valid from 2013-2015. Had they given one year B permit then I would have got my C one year earlier(theoritically or just I suppose :-) ) just because my LCF date was in the start of 2014. After this, I did not care to request anymore for C permit but they given it without me requesting it and after making me wait too much. However, I really do not know/understand the real difference between B and C even though there are lots of forum posts about it. One clear difference I see between them is the number of years the permit is valid for, C permit is around 5 years and B permit was 2 years(usually 1 year B).

Hope this helps...

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Old 22.04.2015, 15:13
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However, I really do not know/understand the real difference between B and C even though there are lots of forum posts about it. One clear difference I see between them is the number of years the permit is valid for, C permit is around 5 years and B permit was 2 years(usually 1 year B).
C permit is valid for 5 years and is generally considered to be a permenant residence permit as they are not usually removed unless there are exceptional circumstances. It also gives voting rights in some cantons.

B permits have varied periods of validity. EU B permits are normally issued for 5 years but EU nationals married to Swiss nationals get one ( or 2?) year permits for some reason. Non EU B permits are also for shorter times ( 1 or 2 years). B permits are not automatically renewed like C permits.

For EU nationals the difference between B and C permits is pretty negligible but for non EU a C permit is more advantageous.
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C permit is valid for 5 years and is generally considered to be a permenant residence permit as they are not usually removed unless there are exceptional circumstances. It also gives voting rights in some cantons.

B permits have varied periods of validity. EU B permits are normally issued for 5 years but EU nationals married to Swiss nationals get one ( or 2?) year permits for some reason. Non EU B permits are also for shorter times ( 1 or 2 years). B permits are not automatically renewed like C permits.

For EU nationals the difference between B and C permits is pretty negligible but for non EU a C permit is more advantageous.
Hi Belgianmum

Thank you for explaining the differences between B and C. This voting stuff seems to be interesting one but I do not know whether it is in canton Vaud.

Also it means that one can apply for naturalisation only after getting C, may be this could be one of the differences.

Have a great day!

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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

In communes and in communes only of Vaud foreigners can cote and can be elected after 10 yrs in CH, 3 yrs in Vaud and with B or C permit.
http://www.vd.ch/themes/etat-droit-f...etrangerseres/
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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

Hi all

@yacek, thank you for the link about the votation for foreigners. I appreciate it a lot.

Have an awesome day :-)
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Old 08.05.2015, 16:15
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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

An update. Today I received two pieces of mail:

- The bill from the Betreibungsamt for 18 Francs. Payable in 5-10 days. I mention this because it's a very short window in which to pay. What if I'd been on holiday when this arrived? I would not have paid in time and then what...the Betreibungsamt issues a Betreibung?

- A questionnaire from the cantonal authorities. Roughly translated the questions are are:

A) Do you live together with your husband in the same household?
B) Are you maintaining a conjugal relationship with your husband?
C) Do you plan to separate or divorce?

Both of us must sign that the information is true and correct and that we'll continue to tell the truth throughout the process.

They then ask again for all the papers we already gave to the municipality: debt register extract, proof of no social help, and criminal record. I gave the municipality my originals as requested. Good thing I kept copies.
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An update. Today I received two pieces of mail:

- The bill from the Betreibungsamt for 18 Francs. Payable in 5-10 days. I mention this because it's a very short window in which to pay. What if I'd been on holiday when this arrived? I would not have paid in time and then what...the Betreibungsamt issues a Betreibung?
I believe and remember that it is normal that especially Betreibungsamt demands money within 5 to 10 days. If you do not pay within this time limit then you will get a reminder with additional charges but not a Betreibung.

To get a Betreibung one needs to receive more than two reminders, I believe, someone can correct me.

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A) Do you live together with your husband in the same household?
I have no idea / I do not understand why they need all these documents twice. Moreover, the above question has been already answered when you filled out the usual B-permit renewal form by writing the address of your partner.

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B) Are you maintaining a conjugal relationship with your husband?
I really do not understand what this actually means...I am sure someone will explain clearly here However, jokes apart, I never read anywhere in the forum that this question been asked to someone.

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C) Do you plan to separate or divorce?
I read somewhere in the forum that this question is asked only when you apply for naturalisation. It sounds interesting.

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Both of us must sign that the information is true and correct and that we'll continue to tell the truth throughout the process.
I believe even this stuff will be asked only during naturalisation. May be it is normal that is canton Bern they do so?

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They then ask again for all the papers we already gave to the municipality: debt register extract, proof of no social help, and criminal record. I gave the municipality my originals as requested. Good thing I kept copies.
May be they ask twice these documents just to check your current status and moreover to delay a bit?! Just thinking.. I am glad that you took copies but do they accept the copies?

Let us know the outcome and wish you best of luck!

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Old 30.05.2015, 18:35
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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

We picked up my shiny, new C-permit yesterday. Total processing time from when they mailed the B-permit renewal to the new permit being issued was 10 weeks. Not bad.

A side note - Kantonspolizei at ZRH gave me a hassle coming back from holiday but did let me in eventually. My B-permit expired the day before we returned from vacation. The officer said she could see in her computer that the C-permit was issued but technically she did not have to let me in since my permit was expired and I did not have the new one in my possession. She gave my husband quite a telling-off in Swiss German, and told him that if the C-permit had not yet been approved she would have sent me back to the U.S.

This seemed a bit over-the-top, as I am allowed to be in CH as a tourist for 90 days. Anywho, just another reminder to try and get your papers in order up front, as the authorities seem to be getting tougher on permits, even with people married to Swiss citizens.
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