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C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

Searched the Forum and haven't seen it asked before so here we go.

Last year this time I'd already received my B-permit renewal paperwork and returned it. So far no paperwork has arrived for this year. I'll be eligible for C-permit and my B expires in 11 weeks. Part of this time I'll be away on vacation, so I want to get on top of this now.

I'm non-EU but married to a Swiss. Living in the same Gemeinde for the past 5 years and I'd say integrated enough. Before I call the Gemeinde and sound like an idiot, looking for a few answers here.

Does a C-permit take any longer to process than a B? i.e. is a 4-8 week timeline reasonable? If it takes longer, can I request the paperwork now to get it rolling?

What documentation do I need to start gathering, if any? Am I going to need another certified birth certificate that's less than 6 months old? That would be a pain.

What's the cost for the C-permit? I think the B was costing me around 106 per year.

I'll also be eligible to start facilitated naturalization in a few months. I assume I should wait to start that until after the C-permit is in my hands?

Surprisingly I could not find the basic answers to these questions on the Kantonal website. No wonder so many folks come to EF to ask about permits!
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Searched the Forum and haven't seen it asked before so here we go.

Last year this time I'd already received my B-permit renewal paperwork and returned it. So far no paperwork has arrived for this year. I'll be eligible for C-permit and my B expires in 11 weeks. Part of this time I'll be away on vacation, so I want to get on top of this now.

I'm non-EU but married to a Swiss. Living in the same Gemeinde for the past 5 years and I'd say integrated enough. Before I call the Gemeinde and sound like an idiot, looking for a few answers here.

Does a C-permit take any longer to process than a B? i.e. is a 4-8 week timeline reasonable? If it takes longer, can I request the paperwork now to get it rolling?

What documentation do I need to start gathering, if any? Am I going to need another certified birth certificate that's less than 6 months old? That would be a pain.

What's the cost for the C-permit? I think the B was costing me around 106 per year.

I'll also be eligible to start facilitated naturalization in a few months. I assume I should wait to start that until after the C-permit is in my hands?

Surprisingly I could not find the basic answers to these questions on the Kantonal website. No wonder so many folks come to EF to ask about permits!
I wouldn't worry about it. We were in the same situation as you, coming to the end of our B-permit validity, so I called the Gemeinde. Their attitude seemed to be that it was their problem, not ours - we should just carry on until we received the paperwork, which we finally did about four months after the expiry of the B-permits. The cost was about CHF500 for six people (some of whom may have been charged at a lower children's rate - not sure).

Can't help you with the facilitated naturalisation - we're just common-or-garden foreigners.
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Old 19.03.2015, 10:40
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..... - we're just common-or-garden foreigners.
Made me laugh...
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...Their attitude seemed to be that it was their problem, not ours - we should just carry on until we received the paperwork, which we finally did about four months after the expiry of the B-permits...
Oy, that would make me really nervous, as I am due to travel back from the U.S. right around the day my permit B expires. Which means I could have trouble with the airline if they feel like being jerks. I know as an American I can still enter as a tourist, but you know how some airline folks can be...
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Oy, that would make me really nervous, as I am due to travel back from the U.S. right around the day my permit B expires. Which means I could have trouble with the airline if they feel like being jerks. I know as an American I can still enter as a tourist, but you know how some airline folks can be...
Probably best to have a polite word with the Aufenthaltsbewilliigungsausstellungszuständigkeits abteilung at your Gemeinde.
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Old 19.03.2015, 18:23
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Aufenthaltsbewilliigungsausstellungszuständigkeits abteilung
One condition of receiving a C permit is being able to say that word within 1.5 seconds without major injury to your facial and oral musculature.
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Oy, that would make me really nervous, as I am due to travel back from the U.S. right around the day my permit B expires. Which means I could have trouble with the airline if they feel like being jerks. I know as an American I can still enter as a tourist, but you know how some airline folks can be...
We once had to make an emergency trip home while the permit renewal was being processed, and of course had already turned our current permit in. In that case, we simply had to request a temporary document from the cantonal Migrationsamt that we showed at the airline check in and at immigration control. CHF 90 for the document, no problem leaving or entering using this rather than our permits.

The last renewal went even smoother - this time around we didn't have to surrender our permits while the new ones were being processed. So we had our old permits in hand for that emergency trip back home, and only had to turn them in when we picked up our shiny new ones.

This was SZ, YMMV as always.
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Old 19.03.2015, 18:41
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One condition of receiving a C permit is being able to say that word within 1.5 seconds without major injury to your facial and oral musculature.
I fail then. Or I'd better start practicing.
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Old 19.03.2015, 21:13
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One condition of receiving a C permit is being able to say that word within 1.5 seconds without major injury to your facial and oral musculature.
A real Berner(in) would never dream of attempting it in 1.5 seconds. Maybe 15 seconds....

We're slooooooowwwww around here.
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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

Took a while with us too, I'm sure our b's ran out before the c's arrived. I remember commenting to my wife that it was a bit of a kick in the nuts financially adults were more than a hundred and the kids cost a bit.

As long as they say it's ok, it's ok though as per usual here, I wouldn't be overly concerned about anything running out as long as your new permits are in the pipeline.
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Old 19.03.2015, 22:31
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Re: C Permit Questions - Kanton Bern

Mine was done within a week. But from what I hear from friends this is so different from city to city and Kanton to Kanton.
CHF 85 was the cost per adult here.
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OH and son got theirs in less than a week here. 120chf each ouch.

Obviously varies from canton to canton and you've got some good info wrt to Bern in particular and travelling in general during permit renewal so I think you should be fine.
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Took a while with us too, I'm sure our b's ran out before the c's arrived...
So you had received the paperwork or asked for it in advance, and that's how it was "in the pipeline?" It sounds like Jern did not receive anything until after his B was expired so I'm curious if that was the same for you.
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I called them about 4 months before expiry date of my B, was told not to bother and wait until I got the documents from town hall. Received those approx 3 months before expiry date
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So you had received the paperwork or asked for it in advance, and that's how it was "in the pipeline?" It sounds like Jern did not receive anything until after his B was expired so I'm curious if that was the same for you.
Yes, but it's probably different for non-EU. You really should have some kind of valid permit. But I guess that the Gemeinde are aware of this - why not give them a call?
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Old 19.03.2015, 22:51
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Yes, but it's probably different for non-EU. You really should have some kind of valid permit. But I guess that the Gemeinde are aware of this - why not give them a call?
Now that I know roughly what to expect, I think I will. Or maybe have my hubby do it so they can't tell (yet) my German still needs work.
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Now that I know roughly what to expect, I think I will. Or maybe have my hubby do it so they can't tell (yet) my German still needs work.
If your German still needs work, then you should be the one to call...
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So you had received the paperwork or asked for it in advance, and that's how it was "in the pipeline?" It sounds like Jern did not receive anything until after his B was expired so I'm curious if that was the same for you.
It was a couple of years ago now but I remember I went to the commune and they wrote down on some form 'gets a c not a b renewal' and we went away and didn't worry about it. Got a letter ages after saying 'come and get your new permits' and it was as easy as that. We didn't get or ask for a bruising letter or anything we just relied on switzerland being somewhere that if you were asked about it and said 'it's in the pipeline' they would take you at your word.
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If your German still needs work, then you should be the one to call...
To be honest, our Gemeinde staff are really friendly. They know my husband and I when we walk in the door or call. Maybe I'm the only American in the village? Anyway I suppose it doesn't hurt to ask them for info and explain my travel concerns. Not like they're going to kick me out of the country for asking, right?
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To be honest, our Gemeinde staff are really friendly. They know my husband and I when we walk in the door or call. Maybe I'm the only American in the village? Anyway I suppose it doesn't hurt to ask them for info and explain my travel concerns. Not like they're going to kick me out of the country for asking, right?
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