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Applying for B Permit

Hello again,

I live in GR at the moment and my contract in CH starts on 1.5.2015 I will be in CH from 7.4.2015 to 8.4.2015 Can I apply for a B-Permit although I haven't started working yet?

Similar question is: Can I (also) apply for a B-Permit after 1.5.2015, lets say 5.5.2015

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Re: Applying for B Permit

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Hello again,

I live in GR at the moment and my contract in CH starts on 1.5.2015 I will be in CH from 7.4.2015 to 8.4.2015 Can I apply for a B-Permit although I haven't started working yet?

Similar question is: Can I (also) apply for a B-Permit after 1.5.2015, lets say 5.5.2015

Kanton Thurgau

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You can't apply in advance of moving here….. and you can't start working before you have handed in the application. If you start work on the Monday, I'd arrive towards the end of the week before, so that you can sort the permit application.
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Re: Applying for B Permit

OK, so is the 1st of May a Holiday in CH? That would mean that my First day at Work would be the 4 of May.

So you suggest arriving Wensday the 29th of April. Apply on Thursday the 30th of April?

So applying for a Permit on the 4th of May (Contract starts 1.5) is illegal?
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Old 20.03.2015, 12:09
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Re: Applying for B Permit

I don't think that applies everywhere.

When I moved here my company didn't ask for my work permit until after I got it. I had started work on the 1st of the month and got it like 3-4 weeks later. I think I already had received my salary as well by the time my permit came in but might be wrong on that.

Since you are EU-15 permits are guaranteed and just a technicality so the company doesn't care as much as if you were non-EU.

Maybe it was just me but I wouldn't worry too much about it although I do suggest you come 1 week earlier and open bank accounts, apply for permits and start apartment hunting. I got bank accounts just with my passport and work contract.

P.S You need to check with your employer, in Zug the 1st of May is not a holiday. The 14th is.
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OK, so is the 1st of May a Holiday in CH?
You'll find that holidays can vary a lot here. What might be a holiday in one canton is not in another. Some municipalities have their own holidays. See here for a pretty good overview:

http://www.feiertagskalender.ch/inde...hl=en&geo=3056

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So you suggest arriving Wensday the 29th of April. Apply on Thursday the 30th of April?
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So applying for a Permit on the 4th of May (Contract starts 1.5) is illegal?
If you started working on the 1st and didn't apply for a permit until after, I think that would be against the rules. Not sure what the penalty would be.Pretty much. You need to have applied for the permit before you start working. Since you're EU you don't need the permit actually approved and in-hand, if that's what you're thinking.

You could try to contact the cantonal authorities and see about submitting your paperwork in April, with the understanding the permit would only be valid in May. Worst that can happen is they say no.
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Re: Applying for B Permit

Just to clarify what I mean, you need to apply before you start working. The permit itself can take weeks and you can already work while you wait for it.

Just ask for a copy of the application you made, so that you have evidence you applied when anyone asks.

But again, in my case my company didn't ask me for anything. I started working and they told me to bring a copy of the actual permit when I receive it. Which I did 4 weeks later while I was already working.
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Re: Applying for B Permit

You don't have to have the permit in your hand… you just have to hand the paperwork in, before you start work. So, you can do it on Thursday the 30th… or Monday the 4th first thing in the morning before you start work.
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Re: Applying for B Permit

It don't worry about my company. It's the Gemeinde I am worried about. Not that they tell me: "You should come earlier my friend" and reject my application.

I will open a bank account in April in my first visit.
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Re: Applying for B Permit

By the way, if you apply on the last day of April for health insurance they will charge you for the whole month. They see the date you applied for a permit as the first day you came here.

It is better to show you came in the country on the 1st of May, assuming it won't affect your work start. Not a lot of money but could be 200-300chf for each family member so why give it away? I think you mentioned having a family so costs can add up.

I would go to the Immigration office at May 1st before work at 7 in the morning and apply then. Then go to work at 9 with a photocopy of the application at hand.
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It don't worry about my company. It's the Gemeinde I am worried about. Not that they tell me: "You should come earlier my friend" and reject my application.

I will open a bank account in April in my first visit.
You can't open a bank account until you have your permit (or at least proof from the gemeinde that you have applied for it).
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It don't worry about my company. It's the Gemeinde I am worried about. Not that they tell me: "You should come earlier my friend" and reject my application.

I will open a bank account in April in my first visit.
Doubt that will happen either. Most banks will want to see paperwork that you've at least applied for your residence permit, if you don't have that you won't get an account. Blame the US's FATCA law and all the other new anti-tax evasion laws/measures and the Swiss banks are running scared. Still, you might be lucky - you can but try.
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Re: Applying for B Permit

No permit is needed to open a bank account if you are EU-15 but you need to show proof of residence.

I was staying at an Airbnb when I applied at UBS and got my account. All I showed them was the AirBnb receipt and my indefinite work contract.

Exactly the same with postfinance on the same week. Not even a mention of permit.

P.S Did you guys have to go and register at the Gemeinde? In Zug when you apply for a work permit it doubles for a residence permit too. The Immigration office will send all the paperwork to the Gemeind of where you live and register you automatically. I don't even know where it is where I live.
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By the way, if you apply on the last day of April for health insurance they will charge you for the whole month. They see the date you applied for a permit as the first day you came here.

It is better to show you came in the country on the 1st of May, assuming it won't affect your work start. Not a lot of money but could be 200-300chf for each family member so why give it away? I think you mentioned having a family so costs can add up.

I would go to the Immigration office at May 1st before work at 7 in the morning and apply then. Then go to work at 9 with a photocopy of the application at hand.
Scary!

Since 1st of May is Labour Day, its a Holiday in TG.

I will ask my companys HR again just to make sure. I think they mentioned that I can apply in the first 10 days for a resident permit.
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No permit is needed to open a bank account if you are EU-15 but you need to show proof of residence.

I was staying at an Airbnb when I applied at UBS and got my account. All I showed them was the AirBnb receipt and my indefinite work contract.

Exactly the same with postfinance on the same week. Not even a mention of permit.

P.S Did you guys have to go and register at the Gemeinde? In Zug when you apply for a work permit it doubles for a residence permit too. The Immigration office will send all the paperwork to the Gemeind of where you live and register you automatically. I don't even know where it is where I live.
Yes, but I don't think one night in an hotel will be viewed in the same way by the bank. And I said you need proof of applying for the permit, not necessarily have the permit itself.
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I think they mentioned that I can apply in the first 10 days for a resident permit.
You have to apply in the first 10 days (or maybe 14) of arriving…. but still before you start work!

Residence permit and work permit is the same thing… just call it a permit, it's simpler.
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