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non EU, Early C permit, Canton Approval, Time for Bern approval ?

Hello All,

I am a non european resident in the Canton of Geneva since 5 years, with a B permit now (L+L+B+B+B).

I have asked for an early C permit (demande anticipée) and the Canton of Geneva has given a positive recommendation, and is going to sent my request to Bern (Secrétariat d'État aux Migrations).

1- What are the average time to get an answer from Bern for an early C permit ?

2- What are the odds of refusal from Bern (with a positive recommendation from Canton of Geneva) ?

3- Is the early C permit for non-european, the same as the european ones ? I have read on Canton Vaud website that someone moving to Vaud with C permit, not gained under bilateral UE deals, should make a new C permit request in Vaud Canton …

http://www.lausanne.ch/lausanne-offi...-permis-c.html

"Toutefois et pour les titulaires d'une autorisation d'établissement n'ayant pas été délivrée en vertu de l'accord bilatéral sur la libre circulation des personnes, lors d'un changement de canton, une nouvelle autorisation d'établissement doit être sollicitée. Dès lors, il est conseillé aux personnes concernées qui désirent changer de canton de se renseigner préalablement auprès des autorités de police des étrangers du nouveau canton de résidence des conditions d'octroi d'une nouvelle autorisation."


4- Is this early C permit for non-european unlimited in time such as for europeans ?

5- Is this early C permit for non-european will allow to ask for naturalization after 10 years of residence under the forthcoming naturalization law (reform) ?


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Re: non EU, Early C permit, Canton Approval, Time for Bern approval ?

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Hello All,

I am a non european resident in the Canton of Geneva since 5 years, with a B permit now (L+L+B+B+B).

I have asked for an early C permit (demande anticipée) and the Canton of Geneva has given a positive recommendation, and is going to sent my request to Bern (Secrétariat d'État aux Migrations).

1- What are the average time to get an answer from Bern for an early C permit ?

2- What are the odds of refusal from Bern (with a positive recommendation from Canton of Geneva) ?

3- Is the early C permit for non-european, the same as the european ones ? I have read on Canton Vaud website that someone moving to Vaud with C permit, not gained under bilateral UE deals, should make a new C permit request in Vaud Canton …

http://www.lausanne.ch/lausanne-offi...-permis-c.html

"Toutefois et pour les titulaires d'une autorisation d'établissement n'ayant pas été délivrée en vertu de l'accord bilatéral sur la libre circulation des personnes, lors d'un changement de canton, une nouvelle autorisation d'établissement doit être sollicitée. Dès lors, il est conseillé aux personnes concernées qui désirent changer de canton de se renseigner préalablement auprès des autorités de police des étrangers du nouveau canton de résidence des conditions d'octroi d'une nouvelle autorisation."


4- Is this early C permit for non-european unlimited in time such as for europeans ?

5- Is this early C permit for non-european will allow to ask for naturalization after 10 years of residence under the forthcoming naturalization law (reform) ?


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Re: non EU, Early C permit, Canton Approval, Time for Bern approval ?

Hi Mavericks,

I just submitted my request for the early C permit today, also in the canton of Geneva.

Could you tell me how long you had to wait before the Genevan authorities gave you a positive response and told you that your application was being sent to the federal authorities in Bern?

Many thanks in advance.
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Re: non EU, Early C permit, Canton Approval, Time for Bern approval ?

For getting an early C permit- only "B" permit for 5 years is counted, so you will have to wait for another 2 years until you can apply for an Early C permit.

Hope this helps!

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Re: non EU, Early C permit, Canton Approval, Time for Bern approval ?

Hi jytk,

I am not so sure that, in the canton of Geneva, all five years have to be on a B permit. I found this on the cantonal authorities' website:

http://ge.ch/integration/categorie-q...torisations-de

Under the question 'Dans quel cas je peux demander un permis C anticipé ?', it says:

"Vous pouvez demander un permis C anticipé si... vous totalisez au minimum 5 ans de séjour ininterrompus en Suisse au bénéfice d'une autorisation de séjour durable (les séjours temporaires effectués notamment à des fins de formation ou de perfectionnement ne sont pas pris en compte sauf si vous êtes au bénéfice depuis 2 ans d’une autorisation de séjour durable)."

Browsing through other posts across the forum, it looks like there can be quite a bit of variation from canton to canton, so perhaps this is one of the details that can differ?
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Re: non EU, Early C permit, Canton Approval, Time for Bern approval ?

well, the link you gave, it states there (over google chrome translated)
"you total at least 5 years of uninterrupted stay in Switzerland for the benefit of a permanent residence permit (temporary stays including for purposes of training or development are not taken into account unless you are benefiting from 2 years an authorization of permanent residence)"

And L is a temporary permit. But it might we worth trying if you go to your town/city council and they would advise you the best.

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Re: non EU, Early C permit, Canton Approval, Time for Bern approval ?

This may answer the L permit question - taken from the main VINTA thread:

"An update on getting earlier C permit for non-EU.

I just found the document from Canton Zurich immigration.
http://www.ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherh...ewilligung.pdf

It looks like a new edition. The previous one was slightly different and didn't contain one important point.

The p. 5.1 says: (free translate from German)

Short-term permits i.e. "L" will be accepted if the staying by L permit was based on an unlimited contract. It's not accepted when it was based on a limited contract.

This paragraph was absent in the previous edition.

So I think it's a good change for those who started with an unlimited contract but got an L permit at the beginning then was switched to B. As it's a praxis that I think is used in the canton Zurich there are no restrictions anymore for those who stayed on L permit for first two years."

Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Maverick, a C permit for non-EUs is exactly the same as an EU national's. You can live/work anywhere in Switzerland and yes, providing you meet the other requirements like language proficienty, you can apply for naturalisation in around 10 years' time.

Obviously if you move cantons then yes, you must "update" your C permit with your new address with the cantonal migration office. So in that sense you get a "new" C permit. But you would have to do the same with any other type of permit, even if you just move within the same commune/gemeinde as we did a few years ago. We had to let the migration office know our new address.

Bear in mind that changing cantons will reset your cantonal residency clock as far as gaining citizenship is concerned as each canton has different regulations on the time required to be living there. Geneva only requires 2 years while Vaud requires 5 years.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...tzfristen.html

Under the new law all cantons will require between 2 and 5 years maximum. This is why the new law has been delayed so those cantons with longer periods can bring in their local leglisation to harmonise with the Federal law.
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Re: non EU, Early C permit, Canton Approval, Time for Bern approval ?

Just to be clear, the Geneva website that I referenced says that temporary permits don't count unless the applicant has had a B permit in the most recent two years (an "autorisation de séjour durable" is a B permit; see here for confirmation: https://www.ge.ch/moe/fr/autorisation.asp). No mention of limited contracts... perhaps yet another point of difference between cantons?

Judging from Maverick's experience, who has lived here with 2 L permits and 3 B permits, the Genevan authorities have kept to what is published on their website - they have given him a positive response, and now it is up to the federal authorities in Bern.
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Re: non EU, Early C permit, Canton Approval, Time for Bern approval ?

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This may answer the L permit question - taken from the main VINTA thread:

"An update on getting earlier C permit for non-EU.

I just found the document from Canton Zurich immigration.
http://www.ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherh...ewilligung.pdf

It looks like a new edition. The previous one was slightly different and didn't contain one important point.

The p. 5.1 says: (free translate from German)

Short-term permits i.e. "L" will be accepted if the staying by L permit was based on an unlimited contract. It's not accepted when it was based on a limited contract.

This paragraph was absent in the previous edition.

So I think it's a good change for those who started with an unlimited contract but got an L permit at the beginning then was switched to B. As it's a praxis that I think is used in the canton Zurich there are no restrictions anymore for those who stayed on L permit for first two years."

Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Maverick, a C permit for non-EUs is exactly the same as an EU national's. You can live/work anywhere in Switzerland and yes, providing you meet the other requirements like language proficienty, you can apply for naturalisation in around 10 years' time.

Obviously if you move cantons then yes, you must "update" your C permit with your new address with the cantonal migration office. So in that sense you get a "new" C permit. But you would have to do the same with any other type of permit, even if you just move within the same commune/gemeinde as we did a few years ago. We had to let the migration office know our new address.

Bear in mind that changing cantons will reset your cantonal residency clock as far as gaining citizenship is concerned as each canton has different regulations on the time required to be living there. Geneva only requires 2 years while Vaud requires 5 years.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...tzfristen.html

Under the new law all cantons will require between 2 and 5 years maximum. This is why the new law has been delayed so those cantons with longer periods can bring in their local leglisation to harmonise with the Federal law.
Very useful! Thanks!
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Re: non EU, Early C permit, Canton Approval, Time for Bern approval ?

Hi Mavericks,

I'm assuming that, by now, you must have received a response from Bern regarding your early C permit application. Would you mind telling me how long it took in the end?

After more than six months of waiting, I emailed the Geneva cantonal authorities two weeks ago and got a letter last week telling me they were happy with my application and that it will now be passed on to Bern. I'm hoping it won't be another six-month wait!

Thanks in advance.
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Re: non EU, Early C permit, Canton Approval, Time for Bern approval ?

Hello,

Thanks for reaching.

For Bern to process, I think if everything is in order, it will take around 3-6 months at least.

Usually if the Canton says yes, Bern would just verify that you don't have security issues… so basically good chance of acceptance.

But this is very variable, I think you can contact them and ask about your request.

Good luck.
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Re: non EU, Early C permit, Canton Approval, Time for Bern approval ?

Hi Mavericks,

Thanks for replying. As luck would have it, I actually received my C permit last Friday. I was so taken aback by how quickly the application got through the federal authorities! Strangely, however, the C permits for the rest of my family haven't come through yet - I am hoping that it's just a case of the permits having been mailed to us separately.

Just to summarise for anyone who finds this information useful: I waited six and a half months for the canton of Geneva to approve my early C permit request, and then another two and a half weeks for the federal authorities to give the green light and for my permit to arrive. Total processing time: 7 months. This is just for me; as I said above, the rest of my family are still waiting for their permits.
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