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Work in Swiss but live in Germany for non-EU

Hi, I'm a non-EU citizen and I recently graduated from my masters in Informatik from a German university. I live in Konstanz. I found a job in Kreuzlingen (just at the borders with Konstanz). It's a really good job at a large software company. However I'm skeptical about accepting the job or not.

My main concern is that I lived for 3 years in Germany ... 5 more years and I can get the German passport. So I want to live in Germany but work in Switzerland. Also I like my apartment and I don't want to relocate. Given that I'm not German or EU, would that be possible? Is there some kind of treaty that would allow me to do so? Because it's just at the borders (like 5km away!).
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Re: Work in Swiss but live in Germany for non-EU

You might be able to. From the sounds of it you live in what is called a "border zone" and might be able to persuade your new company to apply for a G (cross border) permit for you.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...willigung.html

Bear in mind that any contract you sign with them will/should contain the proviso "subject to permit authorization" or similar. As a non-EU national your company will have to prove they can't find a Swiss, EU national or someone else already living here who could do the job. The details are outlined here:

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html

Normally, if the permit application is approved by the Swiss authorities you would get an L or possibly a B permit which means you'd have to move here, but you need to make it clear to the company that they should ask for a G permit as you don't want to move.

Note too that you will need to apply for a Type D entry visa at the Swiss embassy/consulate in Germany.

"I am a citizen of a non-EU/EFTA state in possession of an unlimited residence permit valid for an EU/EFTA state. Do I need visa to work in Switzerland?

Whether or not you possess a residence permit valid for an EU/EFTA state does not affect your status in Switzerland. You are subject to the same provisions on entry and work as people who enter Switzerland from a third state. As a rule, you will need to apply for an entry visa, which will be issued by the Swiss diplomatic representation abroad as soon as you have been granted a work permit."

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...rbeit/faq.html
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thank you for your reply, but I currently live in Konstanz so I'm confused why I should apply for a visa from the German embassy!

I was worried that since I don't have a permenant residence permit for German, then probably Germany won't allow me to stay and live in Germany since I don't work in Germany. Any other ideas?

Ops! sorry I think I misunderstood what you wrote! I can't find a way to edit my post!

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thank you for your reply, but I currently live in Konstanz so I'm confused why I should apply for a visa from the German embassy!

I was worried that since I don't have a permenant residence permit for German, then probably Germany won't allow me to stay and live in Germany since I don't work in Germany. Any other ideas?
No, you would apply for an entry visa at the SWISS embassy in Germany.

Unforutnately, no. If you can't get permission from Switzerland/Germany to have a G permit then you'll either have to move or give up on the job.
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but moving to live in Switzerland would be a stupid idea from me right? because what i understood that in Germany if I get a Blue Card, then after two years I can get a permanent residence permit while in Switzerland I need 10 years to get such a permit!

Also in Switzerland I would need to renew my permit every year. So if the employer kicks me out by the end of the year, then I have to leave. I think in Germany I can even get two years to look for other jobs.

I received a very good job in Switzerland from a large global IT company, so I really need to be careful if I reject the offer or not. Can you please tell me if the reasons and facts I presented above are correct? because based on those reasons I'm thinking to reject this wonderful offer!
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I received a very good job in Switzerland from a large global IT company, so I really need to be careful if I reject the offer or not.
For non-EU citizens there is indeed an element of risk in moving to Switzerland. You have no intrinsic right to be here, your welcome is tied to your job. If you lose your job and are unemployed at the time of your permit renewal you might have to leave. This has happened to many folks I know.

On the other hand, other non-EU posters on EF report having had permits renewed even when unemployed. One thing you will quickly learn about Switzerland - very little is set in stone, many decisions are made based on individual circumstances and the mindset of the individual bureaucrat.

Many weigh the risks against a good job offer and still decide to take the chance.

Only you can decide if the risk is on balance acceptable to you.

My advice - if you do not have a job offer in Germany, take the good job in Switzerland if you think it could open doors in the future. Build your career, enjoy your time in Switzerland - but keep an exit plan in your back pocket.


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but moving to live in Switzerland would be a stupid idea from me right? because what i understood that in Germany if I get a Blue Card, then after two years I can get a permanent residence permit while in Switzerland I need 10 years to get such a permit!

Also in Switzerland I would need to renew my permit every year. So if the employer kicks me out by the end of the year, then I have to leave. I think in Germany I can even get two years to look for other jobs.

I received a very good job in Switzerland from a large global IT company, so I really need to be careful if I reject the offer or not. Can you please tell me if the reasons and facts I presented above are correct? because based on those reasons I'm thinking to reject this wonderful offer!
Have you had any job offers at all in Germany? Graduates from German universities have 18 months to find work, not 2 years, 12 months only if it's from a vocational school.

http://www.howtogermany.com/pages/eu-blue-card.html

As Meloncollie says, only you can make the decision.
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Re: Work in Swiss but live in Germany for non-EU

Really great summary of the situation for Non EU's by Melloncollie above. Risk, exit plan etc.
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