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Renewal British Passport with Swiss ID only

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I'm currently applying for the renewal of my british passport and it seems you need to provide photo copies of your other passports in case you are dual national. In my case swiss.

However I currently only have the swiss identity card.

Is it sufficient to send copies of both sides of the card? Or do you need a swiss passport to apply for the british one?

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Hello

I'm currently applying for the renewal of my british passport and it seems you need to provide photo copies of your other passports in case you are dual national. In my case swiss.

However I currently only have the swiss identity card.

Is it sufficient to send copies of both sides of the card? Or do you need a swiss passport to apply for the british one?

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New one on me.
I can't ever recall giving details of Swiss citizenship when renewing my Brit passport (or vice-versa).

However, I think the last time, my wife was more hands on with form filling and posting, so if this is a newish requirement, I'm not aware.
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New one on me.
I can't ever recall giving details of Swiss citizenship when renewing my Brit passport (or vice-versa).

However, I think the last time, my wife was more hands on with form filling and posting, so if this is a newish requirement, I'm not aware.
You do now. See here
https://www.gov.uk/overseas-passports/y/

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You must send a colour photocopy of your non-British passport (every page including blank pages) as part of your application.
You may be asked to show your non-British passport at a later date.
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Re: Renewal British Passport with Swiss ID only

I would say if you don't have one, you don't have one. Swiss citizens are not required to have passports, although I have to say it's unusual for a Swiss not to have one, as otherwise they're rather limited on where they can travel.
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I would say if you don't have one, you don't have one. Swiss citizens are not required to have passports, although I have to say it's unusual for a Swiss not to have one, as otherwise they're rather limited on where they can travel.
That is why I'm renewing my british passport so that I'm not limited where I can travel

I wonder what the point is for a swiss/british dual national to have a swiss passport in addition to a british passport. Besides the fact that in some countries you probably have less trouble traveling with a swiss passport.
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Re: Renewal British Passport with Swiss ID only

If you don't have one, you can't include it, simple.
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You do now. See here
https://www.gov.uk/overseas-passports/y/

Dual nationals
You must send a colour photocopy of your non-British passport (every page including blank pages) as part of your application.
You may be asked to show your non-British passport at a later date.
Shiiiiiit ..... what a complete pain - a colour photo copy of every single page.

So on top of the charge, you have to factor in printer ink and weighty postage.
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Re: Renewal British Passport with Swiss ID only

Anyone know when that requirement was introduced? Certainly don't recall it when I last renewed.

Must admit I would be VERY tempted to lie about that one just to avoid the hassle factor.
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Anyone know when that requirement was introduced? Certainly don't recall it when I last renewed.

Must admit I would be VERY tempted to lie about that one just to avoid the hassle factor.
Well, at the bottom of this page

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ments-guidance

it says published July 2013 and updated August 2014 so I assume one of those dates is when they added that proviso, probably the 2014 date would be my guess. It wasn't there when I renewed my British one back in May 2012 that's for sure as I didn't need to send copies of my American passport.
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Re: Renewal British Passport with Swiss ID only

Yes, now you mention it my Australian friend had to send his passport in when he renewed his British one recently.

Do they know you have Swiss Nationality? I'd be tempted not to mention it if they don't know already!! That said, this is Britain, not Switzerland. If you say you have citizenship and not a Passport, they will probably accept this. Unlike Switzerland, where they can't seem to comprehend, that not everyone has the same documentation all over the world "but that is impossible, you must have this".
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Re: Renewal British Passport with Swiss ID only

Haven't looked at the online form, yet, but isn't there a section where you have to declare other nationalities?
Obviously, if found out lying, then the usual consequences would prevail.

...... and IIRC, I've already declared this on previous renewal(s), so it could well be recorded on some floppy disk in some dusty storeroom, somewhere.
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That is why I'm renewing my british passport so that I'm not limited where I can travel

I wonder what the point is for a swiss/british dual national to have a swiss passport in addition to a british passport. Besides the fact that in some countries you probably have less trouble traveling with a swiss passport.
As a swiss/british dual national: it's far easier to renew my swiss passport and - if living in switzerland - it's far easier and cheaper to get a visa to most countries with my swiss passport.

The british passport is actually quite frankly useless to me from a practical perspective.

I personally do NOT include details of any other passports when renewing it and do not recommend to do so in light of the fact that they will send those details straight to every spy agency (or as they put, use my personal details in order to fight terrorism).
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[...]I have to say it's unusual for a Swiss not to have one, as otherwise they're rather limited on where they can travel.
Not as limited as UK citizen would be with an UK ID card only.

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Hello

I'm currently applying for the renewal of my british passport and it seems you need to provide photo copies of your other passports in case you are dual national. In my case swiss.

However I currently only have the swiss identity card.

Is it sufficient to send copies of both sides of the card? Or do you need a swiss passport to apply for the british one?

Thanks
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The question concerns any passports you might hold. Not your citizenships. You must send colour photocopies of any uncancelled passports of whatever nationality that you might possess. If you don't have any, then there's nothing to do. It's really very simple. While "I have a Swiss passport" is often seen as synonymous with "I have Swiss citizenship", in this instance they are referring specifically to the document.

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I personally do NOT include details of any other passports when renewing it and do not recommend to do so in light of the fact that they will send those details straight to every spy agency (or as they put, use my personal details in order to fight terrorism).
Failure to provide all relevant information may well get you into trouble if the authorities find out, since it is a criminal offence to make a false statement on a passport application. You might argue that non-disclosure isn't the same as false information - m'lud.
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Haven't looked at the online form, yet, but isn't there a section where you have to declare other nationalities?
Obviously, if found out lying, then the usual consequences would prevail.

...... and IIRC, I've already declared this on previous renewal(s), so it could well be recorded on some floppy disk in some dusty storeroom, somewhere.
Tried to have a look but the form is now a proper on-line form, not the pdf I last used. Too much hassle to fill in dummy answers to find out.

I see if you click on the overseas resident box in the there is now a big warning before you get to the form itself which wasn't there before:

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I can only presume they're preparing themselves for UKIP.
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Failure to provide all relevant information may well get you into trouble if the authorities find out, since it is a criminal offence to make a false statement on a passport application. You might argue that non-disclosure isn't the same as false information - m'lud.
Of course it isn't

I've made no false statement whatsoever - I clearly stated I am a dual national. I simply happened to forget a supporting document.
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Of course it isn't

I've made no false statement whatsoever - I clearly stated I am a dual national. I simply happened to forget a supporting document.
Actually given there is a common passport database covering at least most Western countries (what do you think happens when they scan your passport or ID on entry to the UK) I suspect they are quite easily able to check if you have a second passport. Name and dob should do it.

Sadly.

Anyone with border control experience on here care to confirm that btw?
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...I've made no false statement whatsoever - I clearly stated I am a dual national. I simply happened to forget a supporting document. M'lud
Fixed that for you.
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Actually given there is a common passport database covering at least most Western countries (what do you think happens when they scan your passport or ID on entry to the UK) I suspect they are quite easily able to check if you have a second passport.
My understanding is that border controls do not have such a database, what they can check is if your passport is in a shared database of lost/stolen passports or listed in an outstanding warrant, list of terrorists etc.

Presumably also it is possible, when you enter a country on a foreign passport, to check if you might have a local passport as well.
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