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Running out of time! 90 day limit..

Hi,
I found a few responses for non-eu citizens but these where of no help as I am an eu citizen so I just thought I'd ask to help others too.
My 90 days in switzerland is up on the 8th of May 2015. I understand that you can only stay 90 days within a 180 day period so I couldn't return for another 90 days or so. I didn't no this until this morning however!
I had the intentions of returning to my home country from the 3rd to the 9th of May to collect any paperwork I may need etc and upon returning to switzerland I was going to apply for a permit to stay here.
It looks like I will have to apply for one before I leave, am I correct? Or am I allowed to leave and return at all?
I'm feeling very anxious and stressed out to try and organise it all so last minute so any help would be much appreciated!
Thank you so much!
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Old 17.04.2015, 08:30
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Re: Running out of time! 90 day limit..

No, you are an EU citizen, you have freedom of movement, you can come and go whenever and as often as you like. Also, you are staying within Schengen so there aren't even any border checks for the authorities to know where you are anyway.

The only criteria is, if you settle in a country for more than 90 days, you need to inform authorities and get a residence permit.
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No, you are an EU citizen, you have freedom of movement, you can come and go whenever and as often as you like. Also, you are staying within Schengen so there aren't even any border checks for the authorities to know where you are anyway.

The only criteria is, if you settle in a country for more than 90 days, you need to inform authorities and get a residence permit.
I am coming from Ireland, I have lived there for 10+ years and I have an english birth cert and passport. When I come through the airport you go through a booth were an officer looks at your ID...Does this mean I can stay here a little longer or leave and return within the 180 days?
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Re: Running out of time! 90 day limit..

You are an EU citizen, you can come back whenever you like.... No need to stay away for 90 days. There shouldn't be passport checks between Ireland (Republic of) and Switzerland... asthey are both schengen. But anyway, you will have no problems! Just stick to your original plan.
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Re: Running out of time! 90 day limit..

I checked it out and I am capped at 90 days and we have border checks moving from ireland to swtz...no stamps just officers checking passports. Back to my original question, Do I apply for my permit now or I wait until I come back or do I just cancel my trip altogether?
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Re: Running out of time! 90 day limit..

Read Island Monkeys Post above.

They don't know if you flew in, and took a rail tour around Italy then went to Austria. So no they do not know you are still here until you register.
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Re: Running out of time! 90 day limit..

Is there a entry stamp in your Passport? They check everybody's passport who comes in to see if they are real, valid and really the person on them, not to register their entry and leaving dates. At least for EU and Shengen passport holders.

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I checked it out and I am capped at 90 days and we have border checks moving from ireland to swtz...no stamps just officers checking passports. Back to my original question, Do I apply for my permit now or I wait until I come back or do I just cancel my trip altogether?
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Is there a entry stamp in your Passport? They check everybody's passport who comes in to see if they are real, valid and really the person on them, not to register their entry and leaving dates. At least for EU and Shengen passport holders.
Nope no stamps...So this means I'm free to move around? I still feel uncertain about leaving for fear they will stop me...which I know that is ridiculous because they really do have no idea where I have been over the last 3 months.
But in regards to the permit, what is the time limit to apply for it? I have been here longer than the 14 days they wish for you to apply in so Im unsure...
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Read Island Monkeys Post above.

They don't know if you flew in, and took a rail tour around Italy then went to Austria. So no they do not know you are still here until you register.
This doesn't even matter. They can't stop an EU citizen coming and going from EU/Schengen countries as often as they want, unless the pose a serious threat to security. 90 days in 90 days out of Schengen only applies to non-EU citizens. The only 90 day rule for EU citizens is that if you stay in the same country for more than 90 days you must register as resident!
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You are an EU citizen, you can come back whenever you like.... No need to stay away for 90 days. There shouldn't be passport checks between Ireland (Republic of) and Switzerland... asthey are both schengen. But anyway, you will have no problems! Just stick to your original plan.
Although you don't need a Schengen visa if you come from Ireland you are limited to the 90 day in, 90 day out rule unless you register to become a resident it seems.

"The citizens of the countries of the Schengen Zone as well as the citizens of the countries that don’t need a visa to enter the Schengen zone are however not allowed to reside in the traveling destination for the time desired without any other legal permission. The amount of days permitted to stay in any of the Schengen zone countries doesn’t exceed 90 days/ three months every half a year needless of the travel reasons."

http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/who-...schengen-visa/

She can trying applying for a resident permit now, but if she doesn't have the necessary paperwork they may not accept the application. But if she leaves on the 3rd May then I assume she'll have a few days in hand from the 90 days and can return with the paperwork so she can register.

Holly0, use the calculator you can find here

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...tsrechner.html

to work out exactly how many days you'll have left.
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Re: Running out of time! 90 day limit..

Here it says 14 days:

"To take up residence in Switzerland without pursuing a gainful activity, people such as pensioners, students, or those of private means need to register with the local authorities of the place they reside and apply for a residence permit for non-working persons. Registration has to be done 14 days after arrival at the latest. This type of residence permit will be granted if you can prove that you possess sufficient financial means for you and your family members not to have to rely on Swiss social security benefits. Financial means are defined as being sufficient if Swiss nationals in the same situation are not entitled to claim benefits. Furthermore, you need to show that you have taken out adequate accident and health insurance. Contact the appropriate cantonal migration authorities for detailed information.
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Students need to show that they have been admitted to a state-recognized institution of learning, and that they can support themselves for the duration of their studies. Students are granted a permit for the duration of their studies, or for one year, and may apply for annual renewals until they have completed their studies, providing the requirements are fulfilled. Students must apply for an extension to their permit 14 days before it expires.
Please note: If you take up residence in Switzerland for more than 3 months, you are required by law to take out a health insurance with a Swiss health insurance company!"

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Re: Running out of time! 90 day limit..

indeed - you're EU, just go and register. Permit will depend on your circumstances - do you have a job lined up? Are you looking? Are you rich or being supported?

Did you not understand the answers first time around? Correct procedure for gaining a residence permit?
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Re: Running out of time! 90 day limit..

I fully understand how to apply for residence etc I was just unsure if I am still able to do so considering I have been here longer than 14 days since I arrived.
If I go to my local commune office begin the process do I tell them I just arrived or I have been enjoying swtz as a tourist since February (which is of course true)?
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look just tell them you wish to register and don't say anything else. Take your other half with you - I assume he speaks a local language and will explain you've just come from Ireland and he will support you.

They won't kick off, why would they?
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Re: Running out of time! 90 day limit..

Ha ha thanks! This is just little nerve-racking is all, it's a big deal and I want to make sure I do it all right the first time around!
I really appreciate everyone's patience with me and my questions.
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Re: Running out of time! 90 day limit..

If you were planning to do it right first time around, you'd have gone within 8 days.

But you're EU so if you want to stay permanently, you must register, show you will be supported and start paying health insurance.
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Re: Running out of time! 90 day limit..

why don't you just leave today, come back tomorrow and then apply for the permit?
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If you were planning to do it right first time around, you'd have gone within 8 days.

But you're EU so if you want to stay permanently, you must register, show you will be supported and start paying health insurance.
okay , okay...let's not get snippy...do you not think that maybe there was a reason for me not going within the 8 days?
I will start the ball rolling this afternoon then so!

Phil_MCR...What do you mean leave today and come back tomorrow?
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okay , okay...let's not get snippy...do you not think that maybe there was a reason for me not going within the 8 days?
I will start the ball rolling this afternoon then so!

Phil_MCR...What do you mean leave today and come back tomorrow?
I'm not snippy. There's probably a word for what I am but I'd not call it snippy

I would not bother leaving, I would just be economical with the truth. You're EU so they are not going to dig.
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I'm not snippy. There's probably a word for what I am but I'd not call it snippy

I would not bother leaving, I would just be economical with the truth. You're EU so they are not going to dig.
Well I hope you figure out your word then so!
I have my flights booked from a while ago so if I get the ball rolling shortly I may just go anyway to make sure everything on that end is alright.
I will speak to my boyfriend over lunch and gather up the documents over the weekend. My commune office is only open in set days of the week.
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