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Old 19.05.2015, 10:54
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Quitting job for a Sabbatical: what about the RAV?

A friend of mine is considering quitting his job to have a 6 month timeout to travel with family.

Of course, he doesn't expect to be paid unemployment benefit during this time.

However, is he expected to tell the RAV immediately upon giving notice or just when he is back from the sabbatical?

I suppose either way, there is likely to be a penalty period of some weeks for taking this action? Is anyone here familiar with the specifics?
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Old 19.05.2015, 11:15
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A friend of mine is considering quitting his job to have a 6 month timeout to travel with family.

Of course, he doesn't expect to be paid unemployment benefit during this time.

However, is he expected to tell the RAV immediately upon giving notice or just when he is back from the sabbatical?

I suppose either way, there is likely to be a penalty period of some weeks for taking this action? Is anyone here familiar with the specifics?
RAV benefits are based on the last 6 months salary, unless a rahemnfrist is opened straight away benefits will be 0. Expect the maximum amount of punishment which I think is 90 working days or just over 4 months. You need to have a years spending money on hand before doing this.

It is possible to get permission for 3 months holiday.

Unless you have a Swiss passport your residence permit will likely be invalid after being away for 6 months.
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Old 19.05.2015, 11:33
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Re: Quitting job for a Sabbatical: what about the RAV?

I thought a "sabbatical" is part of a job package, and not an "I don't feel like working anymore so I take an unlimited break from my being employed"? I would be surprised if it were defined differently here in CH.

As part of a job deal, for tax purposes, the sabbatical is treated as being fully employed. All taxes and benefits are still payed by both parties, while the salary is anywhere from 100% reduced to whatever percentage both parties agreed upon BEFORE going on sabbatical. Once the sabbatical is over, you can go back to your job, business as usual, there is no quitting involved.

Maybe the OP means that his friend is thinking of changing jobs, and will take his time to find a new one. Is the period of time between two jobs called a sabbatical here?

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Rahmenfrist = qualifying period ?
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Re: Quitting job for a Sabbatical: what about the RAV?

This is not what RAV is for- but for involuntary bad luck if you ever lose your job for reasons outside your influence. There have been several recent cases where RAV refused to pay anything at all when someone made themselves un-employed without trying to resolve any problems in house with HR and managers. And that is without going off a-travelling for 6 months round the world- so sorry, the answer is a big NO.
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RAV benefits are based on the last 6 months salary, unless a rahemnfrist is opened straight away benefits will be 0.
This is not true. The last 6 (or 12) months worked count. The gaps in employment are basically ignored.

To qualify for the benefits, one must have worked for at least 12 of the past 24 months. One can therefore have a 12 month gap between the last day at work and the opening of a "rahmenfrist". Been there, done that.

Example:
1. 1. 2013 - 31. 12. 2013 employed
1. 1. 2014 - 31. 12. 2014 unemployed, no RAV
1. 1. 2015 - application for benefits, "rahmenfrist" opened. The insured salary is computed from the last 6 (or 12 if more favourable) months of 2013.


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Expect the maximum amount of punishment which I think is 90 working days or just over 4 months.
Normally one gets the maximum penalty for quitting a job voluntarily and applying for benefits. If there are however (at least) 6 months in between, one can no longer be punished for terminating the employment. See page 274 in the following useful document (German):

http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/date....2015_V1.1.pdf

One can (and likely will) of course be "punished" for not looking for a job during the three months before the application for benefits.

If it is possible to look for employment "remotely" during the second half of the sabbatical, the friend could apply and get benefits pretty much immediately afterwards if the job search is unsuccessful.

If they do not look for a job during the sabbatical, they will get punished for insufficient job search if they register immediately after the return. The table on page 284 suggests that they will lose 12 to 18 days for no job search before registration, fewer if the search is merely "insufficient".

Another option is to take the leave, then spend three months looking for jobs and once that fails, apply to get (immediate) benefits.

I suggest the friend registers immediately after the sabbatical in necessary.
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This is not what RAV is for- but for involuntary bad luck if you ever lose your job for reasons outside your influence. There have been several recent cases where RAV refused to pay anything at all when someone made themselves un-employed without trying to resolve any problems in house with HR and managers. And that is without going off a-travelling for 6 months round the world- so sorry, the answer is a big NO.

Sure, it is not a proper sabbatical because the guy will quit to take time out. He just used the term for want of a better word.

He isn't trying to buck any system or claim anything improperly... he just wants to know the most correct or proper way to deal with taking a time out of his own accord and travelling for six months. As we know, there is normally a best way to handle administrative issues in Switzerland.

i.e. should he inform the RAV, at what point should he inform the RAV, and what can he expect them to say?
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