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I merged the threads so now it may make a little more sense... or not, as the case may be.

@OP: We still don't know why you're in this situation, or why you think the decisions so far are indicative of a "Nazi" attitude.
Because due to the vote against immigration they eject out of the country first and don't even ask questions later.Very unfriendly bunch of a-holes.
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So I prepare my final appeal to extend my unrestricted non-eu B-permit so that my disability claim with SVA can be completed.
But you said this today. Therefore, presumably you still have this claim outstanding.

What were you expecting to happen? That because you have a disability that your permit would be extended infinitely so you could continue to live here?

And you are wrong. If immigration lose the case, they'll pay CHF2,000.
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

and then you wonder why the svp is so aggressive with their approach to immigration....
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But you said this today. Therefore, presumably you still have this claim outstanding.

What were you expecting to happen? That because you have a disability that your permit would be extended infinitely so you could continue to live here?

And you are wrong. If immigration lose the case, they'll pay CHF2,000.
I called the appeal court and was told that immigration would pay 0 if they lose.
I only expect immigration to extend my permit till there is a decision as to my level of disability.My disability claim is against my company's pension fund.
The amount which SVA would pay after 7 years here is laughable anyway and can be ignored.
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

I am not really sure what you are expecting. I am so sorry you are having health problems, but are you saying that anyone who has come to work for a couple of years in Switzerland, and falls ill- should be ther responsibility of the Swiss tax payer for the rest of his life abroad? Perhaps you could clarify what your expectations are.
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Old 29.05.2015, 18:57
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I am not really sure what you are expecting. I am so sorry you are having health problems, but are you saying that anyone who has come to work for a couple of years in Switzerland, and falls ill- should be ther responsibility of the Swiss tax payer for the rest of his life abroad? Perhaps you could clarify what your expectations are.

Well that happens in the UK & many civilised countries. It's a risk letting people come to work, it's done as they will pay taxes for the benefit of CH. the risk seems to be being taken by the insurance part of the pension scheme which the OP actually paid for not the taxpayer which again the OP was & will still be.
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and then you wonder why the svp is so aggressive with their approach to immigration....
Wow.Quite shocked by some of the xenophobic comments here.Seem to have stirred up a SVP rat's nest.
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

I still don't understand why you need to be here for your claim. Are you expecting to have to give verbal evidence rather than it just being all done with paperwork? Or are you expecting/hoping that the disability will be ruled so severe that you'll be granted a permit to stay here.
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.... not the taxpayer which again the OP was & will still be.
If OP goes and lives abroad her won't be a tax payer here, will he?

I am not saying what is right or wong? But asking what OP's expectations are- to claim IV here inb CH, or abroad (back home in ZA for instance').

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I still don't understand why you need to be here for your claim. Are you expecting to have to give verbal evidence rather than it just being all done with paperwork? Or are you expecting/hoping that the disability will be ruled so severe that you'll be granted a permit to stay here.
I have to be here to qualify for a disability pension.The disability pension cannot be paid if I reside outside Swiss.Normally it's paid until age 65 so I would remain here until then as a pensioner, if it's awarded. SVA has to decide on my level of disability and then inform my company's pension fund.I should have a decision before the end of the year.The normal pension kicks in at age 65.

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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

http://www.auswanderung.ch/index.cfm...D=2&NewsID=105
is about how to receive disability pensions while living abroad
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http://www.auswanderung.ch/index.cfm...D=2&NewsID=105
is about how to receive disability pensions while living abroad
http://www.proinfirmis.ch/de/subseit...iv.html#c12057


Angehörige von Staaten, die über kein Sozialversicherungsabkommen mit der Schweiz verfügen:
Staatsangehörige von Nicht-Vertragsstaaten haben unter den gleichen Voraussetzungen Anspruch auf eine ordentliche Rente wie Schweizer Bürger. In der Regel besteht aber kein Anspruch auf eine ausserordentliche Rente. Die Auszahlung der Rente ist an den Wohnsitz und den Aufenthalt in der Schweiz gebunden. Wer also ins Heimatland zurückkehrt, erhält keine Rente mehr ausbezahlt. Für im Ausland wohnhafte Kinder werden keine Kinderrenten bezahlt.
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

Is 8 years of pension going to be worth all this? You said in your original introduction post back in 2010 that you'd been here for 3 years then so you have around 8 years here now. I wouldn't have thought it would be enough for you to live on here. Do the Swiss pay a set rate depending on severity of the disability and not just a figure based on how much you've contributed to the system? Or are you also hoping to find another job of some kind if you get to stay? You wouldn't be paid unemployment benefit on top unless you search for another job as far as I know.
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

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I have to be here to qualify for a disability pension.The disability pension cannot be paid if I reside outside Swiss.


@MarkH
I'm not sure, but could it be that here you are confusing two separate issues?


First:where you have to be while you are assessed until the disability pension is decreed/granted and


Second:where you have to be to receive a disability pension already granted to you.


I am fairly sure that for the second,
you can live anywhere, and the disability pensionwill be paid to you there, in CHF, from Switzerland. You do not have to reside in Switzerland.I recall having once read that you have to register with the Swiss Consul in your new country of domicile, even if you are not Swiss, in order to properly receive your disability pension, although I haven't gone back to check those details now.


For the first...
perhaps you could claim to be a "Härtefall" (hard case, literally) which means that it would be unreasonable or inhumane to send you out of Switzeland because, say, you are ill.Or else... perhaps you could - with the knowledge of the Disability Office - leave Switzerland correctly, but agree to remain nearby (on a tourist visa in Germany), so that you are always available for all the medical examinations they may still require of you.


What does your employer suggest, since they have the BVG pension plan? If it is a large company, presumably you are not the first disabled person to be in this predicament, with permits.
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Is 8 years of pension going to be worth all this? You said in your original introduction post back in 2010 that you'd been here for 3 years then so you have around 8 years here now. I wouldn't have thought it would be enough for you to live on here. Do the Swiss pay a set rate depending on severity of the disability and not just a figure based on how much you've contributed to the system? Or are you also hoping to find another job of some kind if you get to stay? You wouldn't be paid unemployment benefit on top unless you search for another job as far as I know.
Yes,you are right. As I said in a previous post the SVA payment would be small.
My large corporate company's pension fund disability insurance pays up to 60% of my last salary, which will be enough.
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Wow.Quite shocked by some of the xenophobic comments here.Seem to have stirred up a SVP rat's nest.
it does not make sense at all what you're saying.... specially coming from you, calling the people of this country "swiss nazis"...

In any case, i do wish you only the best and hope it all turns out the way you want... but pls as you said before think twice before staying any longer in a country with a "swiss nazi immigration" system!!
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@Doropfiz

Yes,this is the kind of constructive comment I appreciate.

At present I am playing for time with immigration.My permit expired end of March and I am still here.Supposed to leave by mid July but this will likely be extended further when I appeal in 20 days time.
I have received the letter from SVA regarding the medical exams and I should hear from the doctors any time now.So it`s possible the claim could be complete before the gestapo finally kicks me out.
Good news if I could get the pension paid elsewhere.
The Gestapo says I can fly so no reason not to leave Swiss.I could also fly in a coffin I guess.
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Re: Disability Insurance payments(IV)

@ MarkH
I think it is essential to keep the SVA informed of your permit situation (if they don't already know) and keep reiterating that you are available to do everything they require, that you are cooperative. This is called Mitwirkungspflicht. And that you are doing the best you can, already, to look after your health, such as you can. This is called Schadenminderungspflicht.
In fact, both you AND the SVA have a Schadensminderungspflicht (= duty to keep the damages as low as possible). And the position you are in is highly unlikely to be doing your health any good.

Having said that, I think you'd get more help here on the EF (and probably elsewhere) if you just didn't use any more nazi/gestapo-type vocabulary. I can believe that you feel like "they" are running roughshod over you, but it'd probably work in your favour to leave that kind of analogy aside completely.

@ everyone else on this thread besides MarkH
Please, spare a little compassion for the fact that MarkH's nerves are plainly completely frazzled by now. Mine would be, too, if I were in his shoes. Wouldn't yours? Being desperate about one's permit is bad enough. About one's state of health, worse. About both together, even worse. And the prospect of having to return not, say, to the UK with it's National Health, but to South Africa (if that's what you'd be doing, MarkH) where there is no guarantee he will be able to get proper medical care, and there is only the most minimal of social security... well, that would be okay if he knew he'd be able to get cracking and work jolly hard once he is there... but his ability to do that will be inhibited by his state of health.
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Yes,this is the kind of constructive comment I appreciate.

At present I am playing for time with immigration.My permit expired end of March and I am still here.Supposed to leave by mid July but this will likely be extended further when I appeal in 20 days time.
I have received the letter from SVA regarding the medical exams and I should hear from the doctors any time now.So it`s possible the claim could be complete before the gestapo finally kicks me out.
Good news if I could get the pension paid elsewhere.
Concentrate on getting the medical assessment in time, work on this thing.Is it possible to explain them you need it sooner than later?
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Re: Swiss Nazi Immigration

What am I missing?

I was attracted to this thread by its title.

I have in my hands two items, equally embarrassing.

1. My (Swiss) grandfather's Deutsches Reich Arbeitsbuch für Ausländer with stamps between 1st Dec. 1943 and 1st June 1944.

2. A copy of Stefan Keller's Grüningers Fall: Geschichten von Flucht und Hilfe about Paul Grüninger (Google him) -- now a hero but in his lifetime a disgraced, fired border policeman because he had facilitated the illegal immigration of Jews escaping the Holocaust.

But there's nothing in the thread to illuminate either...

My grandfather was (as I am) a citizen of Aargau. The only Canton never to have expelled its Jews, although someone gave me an explanation which lends little credit to them for that -- historical accident I was told.
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