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Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

Hello,

My visa expires in 2 months, my permit which was for 1 year also expires after 2 months.

I need at least 3/4 months to find new job. My current boss is strange.

1)

Please tell me, If I can stay at Switzerland after that, If yes how long ?

Which visa I should apply for ?

2)

I am paying insurance. So, can I ask for unemployment benefits for 2/3 months.

3)
I went to local canton office, the lady didn't knew much. She told we can send your permit application without contract and once you get new job you should come with contract...without contract decision will take long time ...

so like this procedure : may be my legal time to stay here will be ended.

Please guide me
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Old 22.05.2015, 13:39
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

Hi

Have you lost your job - or will you?

Have you "only" been working in Switzerland 9 month?
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

Hi,

Thank you for your msg.

I lost job, its hobby of my boss; he always let off people

Its been 9 months, I am here. My employment and visa is for 1 year, so I have current job only for next 3 months.
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

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Hi,

Thank you for your msg.

I lost job, its hobby of my boss; he always let off people

Its been 9 months, I am here. My employment and visa is for 1 year, so I have current job only for next 3 months.
So... you lost your job, meaning you are now not working, and not being paid. Right?

Sorry, just a bit confused. Reading your situation it could also mean you haven't lost your job yet, but you have been given notice that in 3 months (the end of your 1 year contract), you will be unemployed (i.e. no new contract or renewal of contract).

Not sure what you mean it's your boss' hobby (what, to fire people?). Do you think he will at least give you a reference?

I heard from my Swiss flatmates that as long as you have been paying into the relevant government authority (usually the case, especially if taxed at source), you may be able to claim chomage (unemployment benefit). How one applies for it, I have no idea (probably the commune office, I guess).

As for the visa / permits, I wonder if one can register as looking for a job in order to have more time in Switzerland. If not, one could exit and re-enter as a tourist, but then my impression is that one would have no right to government benefits (i.e. any gainful activity in Switzerland).

Very happy to hear the real advice. On another note, I haven't searched EF yet; probably should give that a go first myself.

I'm in a similar situation - well, I haven't been fired yet, but I have been given no reassurance (or otherwise) about my contract which is finishing soon. I need either a new contract to reapply for my permit, or otherwise I have to plot the next move. So interested to see what advice you get!
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Old 22.05.2015, 14:17
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

First you need to contact RAV (unemployment office) to see if you're eligible for any payments AND whether they will renew your permit on your behalf. If they say yes, then you have time to find a new job. If they say no, then you're expected to leave Switzerland by the time your permit expires. There's no grace period for non-EU's unless they're getting unemployment benefits. If you come from a country whose citizens don't need to apply for a tourist visa then you would automatically revert to that status and would have a few more months to find work.

The lady at the office is wrong; if your permit is tied to your employer any new employer has to go through the non-EU hiring process to be able to hire you. If the permit is not tied then you may be able to apply for a new permit yourself, but not otherwise and if you've only been here for under a year I would be very surprised if it wasn't a tied B.
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

Are you sure you have a 'B' permit?

One year of contract and Non-EU, i doubt its B. Anyways if you have then its okay.

Are you here on secondment or did employer from Switzerland recruit you?

The more detailed your question is the better it is for you as people here (of course I may not be, but at least others) will be able to guide you in right way.

If your permit is tied to employer, then i think you should get a no objection letter from him before you go ahead and change your employer. And it is a bit tricky and difficult to change the employer in case of permit tied to employer.

Wish you good luck

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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

Employer from Switzerland recruited me.

Permit type might also depend on your previous credits/ or google scholar profile. I have B permit.

Why should I need no objection certificate from my present employer, he already said me I lay off you for your better future -

I dont know whether my permit is attached to the employer or not. But, I guess it is because it expires on the date when my contract ends.

Medea do you mean now it is also difficult for next employer to hire me ?mY My next employer has to contact my current employer? Is it so ...
I guess it should be independant otherwise its difficult to get job
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

Yes, if it's a permit tied to an employer then any new employer has to prove to the Swiss authorities why they can't find a Swiss/EU national who could do the job. The criteria is outlined here.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html

To see if the permit is tied you need to either look at the back of the permit or refer to the accompanying documentation you received with the permit. Frankly, if you've only been here a year it's extremely unlikely it's not tied to your employer. You were also extremely lucky to get a B permit to start with, usually non-EU nationals spend the first 2 years on an L permit.
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

THANKS MEDEA...


I hope that, I will get job soon and wont have to register as a unemployed alien in swiss.

My permit is B (Formation avec activite) ... I will visit office chromage and will see ... It seems, I have to leave swiss before the date of permit expiry.

Thanks GOLFER, SOFTBEDPLEASE (NICE NAME - ) , MG99
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My permit is B (Formation avec activite) ...
Are you employed as a post-doc or a PhD student? In that case your permit will not be transferable to another employer, unless you find another university research job in the time you have left.

Given your current permit, any company wishing to employ you will have to prove that they cannot find an EU or Swiss person to do the job. Be ready for a long search, since unless you are perfect fit for the job, employers are reluctant to go through this bureaucratic process.

Good luck with the chomage office.
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

Thank you folks.

I have post doc status. My goal is to just extend my B permit at least for 3 months, then its very enough time for me to secure another job.

I dont really need umemployement money by chromage, but seems there is no option-I have to visit + register that office and request for extension of B permit from that office ... Is that right guys, If any more option please let me know.

Local canton couldnt provide me any information about job searching visa...they told we dont know if there is something like this ...

Even If I get job searching visa option which extend my stay in swiss for 3 months, it would be fine.
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

The only job search visas I know of is given to EU citizens, or to non-EU citizens who have studied and completed a postgrad degree in CH.

You best bet seems to be finding another postdoc position in the time remaining.
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

You need to go to RAV because being unemployed they need to decide if they will extend your permit or not. They effectively become your new employer until you find another job so if they say they won't extend the permit then you'll have to find another job or leave Switzerland by the time the permit expires. They will assess your chances of finding work and may, I repeat may, decide to give you some extra time, but it very much depends on the individual involved, what sort of work you'll be looking for, etc.

Make a start on the job hunting side now by getting applications out for any positions you're suitable for. If you can find an employer willing to go through the hiring process then so long as the application is going through you can stay in Switzerland past your permit expiry date.
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Old 24.05.2015, 20:03
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

I thought if you have been working less than one year then you don't qualify for RAV - do I have it wrong?
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

Thanks medea and kosti,

I will checl with RAV and will see

Dr mom Yes, that is right if you work less than 12 months, you cant benifit from RAV.

But, I will be working for 12 months ... I came to know that I wont continue after 9 months of my work... I will be working for next 3 months ...
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But, I will be working for 12 months ... I came to know that I wont continue after 9 months of my work... I will be working for next 3 months ...
The way you write is EXTREMELY confusing, Mumbai.

In any case, the authorities usually give you an additional 3 months to leave the country - during which if you can get some other univ post doc position - and thats a big if - you can continue to stay on.
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

Hi,

Sva sorry for confusion.

Authorities give me 3 months to leave after my permit expiry date ? Is it so? Some people told me I have to leave within the expiry deadline

Do you know, how can I get those 3 months stamped on my passport or written somewhere on paper.

3 months after expiry is well enough for me to find job.
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

Go to the foreign police and explain your situation - esp the fact you made a big move from your well settled life - expecting your permit B to be renewed at the end of the year. Give concrete reasons of your boss arbitrary behaviour.

Last year my permit was not renewed in time as I was unable to submit the papers on time, and the authorities gave me a printed and stamped paper extending the permit by three months.
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

As I understand your situation, you are currently serving notice period and that you will complete 1 year of employment before your permit expires, at which you must leave Switzerland.

If thats the case, I would suggest you to register with RAV and apply for unemployment benefits. RAV is also obliged to extend your permit for the duration for which you should receive the unemployment benefits. So this solves both your problems: not only you get to extend your stay beyond permit expiry for another year but you also get paid monthly salary plus help in finding a job.

Of course finding a new post doc job should eventually be your priority

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Thank you for your msg.

I lost job, its hobby of my boss; he always let off people

Its been 9 months, I am here. My employment and visa is for 1 year, so I have current job only for next 3 months.
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Re: Non-EU citizen lost job in 9 months (B permit)

Thank you John,

Yes what you described that is completely right. I have notice
period and my permit and my service both are for 1 year.

I went to RAV ( Unemployment Office ) office. When I told, I would like to register and extend permit; lady at the counter told me that this is unemployment office we pay if you don't have job and we help you to search job .... permit extension is not here, please go to the canton office.

May be she didn't knew this rule ( I also don't have proof to show her that this rule exist )

I will go with german speaking friend and will check with them again. Let's see

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