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Non EU - B Permit

Hi,

I am non EU, B-permit (valid till 2016), worked in Swiss for 3 years but have been let go recently. I have a few questions .

1. Can I just take a break for a few months (how many?) to go out of Swiss (or elsewhere) to look for a job and yet retain my B permit?
2. If yes, then should I register with Chomage now or after I come back?
3. What will be status of my family, who are on B permit (family reunion) during my absence ? Can they continue to stay here to ensure child's education does not get affected ?

And then the most important question,

4. If I am able to get a job outside Swiss and still want my family to remain in Switzerland for the child to complete her education (2 years), what is the best way to do that ? Child cannot stay alone and hence mother's presence will be needed?

Any advice will help us decide future course of action.

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Old 31.05.2015, 12:10
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Re: Non EU - B Permit

Have a good search here on the forum. It's pretty clear that you need to advise the unemployment service as soon as you are aware that your job contract might be terminated. To get unemployment insurance benefits you must be registered and jumping through the hoops - you can ask them whether you are allowed to 'take a holiday' and not get paid for a period of time, but you need to check what the implications might be.

Job searching outside of Switzerland from what I know is acceptable, but you definitely need to speak to the unemployment office about how to do that legally.

If you are the primary visa-holder then I highly doubt that you can continue residency here if you are no longer gainfully employed - but the unemployment insurance covers the next two years (in theory) so if you keep jumping through the hoops then I'd expect you can extend your stay for around that long to allow your child to finish their schooling.

I am pretty sure if you pick up a job outside Switzerland then you'll need to change your residency - unless it's something like 'frontaliering' where you live on one side of the border but work the other, but I imagine there are tight limits on Non-EU for doing that between France/Switzerland for example...

Either way, you need to jump through the hoops and the best way to begin is to speak to the "Chomage"...
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Old 31.05.2015, 12:44
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Re: Non EU - B Permit

As swisspea says register for chomage and talk to the person RAV assigns to you. You can certainly apply for jobs outside of Switzerland, but whether you can physically leave for several months to job hunt and still get unemployment pay I don't know. If you don't register straight away then you could hit problems later on a) RAV will be annoyed that you didn't register as soon as you knew you were going to be made redundant and could delay the start of any payments and b) payments are based on the last 6 months' salary so if you're not working here for several months any payments will be much lower than you'd get by registering now.

There is also the question of what type of B permit you have. If it's an unresticted one, i.e. not tied to a particular employer, then it will still be valid. If it's a tied one though, the fact that you've lost your job will also invalidate the permit I believe because it's tied to the employer. So finding a new job asap would be vital.

So long as you have a valid permit then the family can stay, but if you find another job outside of Switzerland they'll have to move, sorry. Their permits are tied to yours so if you no longer have permission to reside here, neither do they. There is a small possbility of getting a G permit (cross border), but it's pretty difficult for non-EU nationals to get them as you have to have lived in a border zone area for a certain period of time before you can apply.
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Swisspea,

Thanks for the reply. Got some clarity but still want to know if I do not want to claim Chomage, do I still need to register ? I would prefer to travel, come back and then register.

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As swisspea says register for chomage and talk to the person RAV assigns to you. You can certainly apply for jobs outside of Switzerland, but whether you can physically leave for several months to job hunt and still get unemployment pay I don't know. If you don't register straight away then you could hit problems later on a) RAV will be annoyed that you didn't register as soon as you knew you were going to be made redundant and could delay the start of any payments and b) payments are based on the last 6 months' salary so if you're not working here for several months any payments will be much lower than you'd get by registering now.

There is also the question of what type of B permit you have. If it's an unresticted one, i.e. not tied to a particular employer, then it will still be valid. If it's a tied one though, the fact that you've lost your job will also invalidate the permit I believe because it's tied to the employer. So finding a new job asap would be vital.


So long as you have a valid permit then the family can stay, but if you find another job outside of Switzerland they'll have to move, sorry. Their permits are tied to yours so if you no longer have permission to reside here, neither do they. There is a small possbility of getting a G permit (cross border), but it's pretty difficult for non-EU nationals to get them as you have to have lived in a border zone area for a certain period of time before you can apply.
Thanks Medea Fleecestealer, My permit is not tied to an employer so I am sure I can continue here even without a job. Question is that I want to be away for job hunting without asking for Chomage and yet prefer that family stays here for continuation of studies. 6 months last drawn salary is a good point that you highlighted.

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Re: Non EU - B Permit

No, not really. You need to agree this with RAV otherwise as said your payments may be lower and RAV may also penalise you for not registering as soon as you knew which is what you're supposed to do.
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Re: Non EU - B Permit

Related Question on cutting down the living cost

1. We are in good terms with landlord. Is it a good idea to tell them about this development and seek some relief on the rent ?

2. If the answer is No, then will it be easy to find another accommodation given the fact that I will be unemployed ?
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Re: Non EU - B Permit

Any thoughts on house rent ?
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Any thoughts on house rent ?
You can talk to your landlord, but don't be surprised if he/she is reluctant to make any changes. They have a signed contract from you for a specified amount and have likely budgeted based on that expected income. If you're on good terms, they might agree to let you out of the contract early if you find a nachmieter (follow-on tenant).

I'd be careful about how cheeky you get. It's one thing to express hardship and ask for a rent reduction. It's another to claim hardship and then you go traveling.
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